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Typical rendering:
We treasure our character as our own, whether or not it is worthy in itself or admired by others; and so we must honor our fellow men, if they are good. ἤθη ὥσπερ τὰ ἡμῶν αὐτῶν ἴδια τιμῶμεν, ἄν τε χρηστὰ ἔχωμεν, καὶ ὑπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ζηλούμενα, ἄν τε μή· οὕτω χρὴ καὶ <τὰ> τῶν πέλας, ἂν ἐπιεικεῖς ὦσιν.
The Vat.gr.1950 manuscript text reads:
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The typical transcription reads:
γεγόναμεν ἅπαξ, δὶς δὲ οὐκ ἔστι γενέσθαι· δεῖ δὲ τὸν αἰῶνα μηκέτι εἶναι· σὺ δὲ οὐκ ὢν τῆς αὔριον κύριος ἀναβάλλῃ τὸ χαῖρον· ὁ δὲ βίος μελλησμῷ παραπόλλυται καὶ εἷς ἕκαστος ἡμῶν ἀσχολούμενος ἀποθνῄσκει.
However, look at the VERY beginning of the saying. There is a large red capital epsilon: Ε' γεγοναμεν αμαξ... that doesn't appear in the regular rendering of that line. Bailey makes no note of the capital epsilon. This makes it clear each of these will have to be examined more closely.
Okay, so it looks like VS13 does NOT have a red capital letter starting it and comes right after VS12 in the manuscript. In fact the 2nd half of VS13 DOES have a red capital starting it!
VS13 = PD27 and PD27 typically runs:
ὧν ἡ σοφία παρασκευάζεται εἰς τὴν τοῦ ὅλου βίου μακαριότητα πολὺ μέγιστόν ἐστιν ἡ τῆς φιλίας κτῆσις.
VS13 in the Vatican manuscript reads:
https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.gr.1950.pt.2/0255
So, the text in the manuscript reads:
ὧν ἡ σοφία παρασκευάζεται εἰς τὴν τοῦ ὅλου βίου μακαριότητα
Πολὺ μέγιστόν ἐστιν ἡ τῆς ?????? κτῆσις.
which means it breaks the sense of the saying as:
Of all the things that wisdom provides for the complete happiness of one's entire life
By far the greatest is the possession of ????... It looks like σοφιδο (or some version of σοφια????).
Are we to see these as two different sayings?? Something like:
Of all things, wisdom (sophia) provides for the complete happiness of one's entire life.
By far the greatest (thing) is the possession of wisdom.
This is curious and deserves some digging into.
And THIS is why I'm doing these one by one 
VS12 = PD17 however, it appears the two are not identical in their phrasing.
Vat.gr.1950, 402r
The typical rendering of PD17 is:
ὁ δίκαιος ἀταρακτότατος, ὁ δʼ ἄδικος πλείστης ταραχῆς γήμων.
One who acts aright is utterly steady and serene, whereas one who goes astray is full of trouble and confusion.
However, this saying in the Vatican manuscript includes a couple "extra" words (like βιος "life") then also goes right into the next Vatican saying, here underlined:
ὁ δίκαιος βιος ἀταρακτότατος, ὁ δε ἄδικος πλείστης ταραχῆς γήμων (VS13 starts here) ων ? σοφια πρασ...and so on until the end of the line ending with what appears to be μακαριοτ...??
With the inclusion of "life" is seems like an alternative translation would being "Τhe just life..."
See VS13 for more on this.
I like the poetic aspect of the one Joshua found.
But I really like the more literal translation that Bryan offered above!
Once again, translation is hard 
YES that works!
Cool. I'll go back in and change those links in VS1-11 & 81.
Honestly, I have completely selfish reasons for putting those snippets in the forum threads. I'll never have to look them up when we ask "What does that say?"🤔
Try this...
I dug around a little more and it looks like you can link directly to pages (albeit I'm getting a 2-page spread from that link)
https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.gr.1950.pt.2
404v, bottom of the page
οὐ λύει τὴν τῆς ψυχῆς ταραχὴν οὐδὲ τὴν ἀξιόλογον ἀπογεννᾷ χαρὰν οὔτε πλοῦτος ὑπάρχων ὁ μέγιστος οὔθʼ ἡ παρὰ τοῖς πολλοῖς τιμὴ καὶ περίβλεψις οὔτʼ ἄλλο τι τῶν παρὰ τὰς ἀδιορίστους αίτίας.
So, here's what I *hoped* you'd see... with the page numbers at the bottom
Well it opens up but to the book cover. I was hoping to find somewhere a direct link to the page where the particular text appears.
Are looking on mobile or laptop?
You should see the folio/page numbers along that bottom.
They got that wrong. It's Epicurus.
You're not seeing the pages from that link?
how long is the whole document
Good question. ....counting... 7 pages: 401v to 404v
Translated:
http://poemsintranslation.blogspot.com/2014/12/marcus…ellias.html?m=1
"Dis" is not part of his wife's name, but seems to relate to the word discedere, "to depart". He built the tomb after she died (departed), for both of them, as well as for their liberti, freed slaves.
That's a great find, Joshua! Well done!
I had just begun to translate the Greek, and, yep, That's a good fluid translation there! I'm going to paste their translation here because it's too good for people to miss if they don't click the link:
Do not pass by my epitaph, dear passer-by.
Stop. Read and learn, and when you understand, go on:
There is no Charon waiting on a boat in Hades.
No judge named Aeacus, no dog called Cerberus.
All of us who've gone dead down here are now no more
Than rotting bone and ash. I've told it as it is
And have no more to say. Now, passer-by, go on
And know I keep the rule of dead men: tell no tales.
This tomb's just stone. So bring no myrrh or garlands.
Do not waste money on a fire.
If you want to gift me something, you should have
Done it when I was still alive.
If you mix wine with ash you just get mud.
Besides, the dead do not drink wine.
Just sprinkle some soil. Say: what I was before
I was, I have become once more.
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Note that VS8 = PD15
ὁ τῆς φύσεως πλοῦτος καὶ ὥρισται καὶ εὐπόριστός ἐστιν, ὁ δὲ τῶν κενῶν δοξῶν εἰς ἄπειρον ἐκπίπτει.
BUT that last word ἐκπίπτει ends on the 2nd line. The next red initial Greek letter is Τῶν πλείστων ἀνθρώπων... which is VS11.
The popular VS 9 κακὸν ἀνάγκη, ἀλλʼ οὐδεμία ἀνάγκη ζῆν μετὰ ἀνάγκης. "Compulsion is a bad thing, but there is no compulsion to live under compulsion." starts at the end of the 2nd line of VS8 here. BUT between the end of ...ἐκπίπτει and the beginning of κακὸν ἀνάγκη... we have more text which *appears* to be:
και eido?ποριστος or something like that.... sorry, I'll have to work on the paleography.
VS9 ends and then VS10, which is attributed to Metrodorus starts towards the end of the 3rd line BUT NOTE that it does not have a RED capital letter! I'm wondering if that's significant... like the red letter editions of the New Testament where Jesus's words are printed in red?
So this is combined Italian and Greek, but found in Italy? I would not have thought that inscriptions would be combined in different languages like that
RegionsSicily, Italy, and the West (IG XIV)Italy, incl. Magna Graecia
IGUR III 1245 IGUR III 1244 IGUR III 1246
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Italia — Roma — 3rd c. AD — IG XIV 1746 — CIL VI 14672 — GVI 1906
Oh, Greek culture and language were ubiquitous in the Mediterranean. "Magna Graecia" is Greater Greece
