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  • High-Quality Narration of: Cicero - On the Ends of Good and Evil

    • Don
    • June 23, 2024 at 2:11 AM
    Quote from Twentier
    Quote from Remus

    This confirms, once again, that everything sounds better with a posh English accent. ;)

    Cellar door <3

    Thanks, Eikadistes !

    For anyone who doesn't get the reference:

    Phonaesthetics - Wikipedia

  • So...Do we have a prolepsis for numbers?

    • Don
    • June 21, 2024 at 7:15 PM

  • Episode 233 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 08 - An Epicurean Attack On The False God Of Stoicism

    • Don
    • June 21, 2024 at 1:38 PM

    When the topic of rights comes up, I turn to George Carlin and his "rights vs privileges"

    For those who haven't heard it (language warning!):

  • Episode 234 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 09 - Dealing With Marcus Aurelius And The Canonical Basis For the Epicurean View Of Divinity

    • Don
    • June 21, 2024 at 1:24 PM
    Quote from Bryan

    τὰ Συμβεβηκότα

    Coniūncta

    "Inseparable Characteristics"

    "Properties"

    Fundamental qualities, Inherent attributes

    τὰ Συμπτώματα

    Ēventa

    "Separable Characteristics"

    "Accidents" "Symptoms"

    Potential qualities, Incidental attributes

    This outline is specific to Epicurus. For example, Aristotle uses τὰ συμβεβηκότα, with the sense of τὰ συμπτώματα.

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    So... Did I get that exactly opposite??^^

  • Episode 234 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 09 - Dealing With Marcus Aurelius And The Canonical Basis For the Epicurean View Of Divinity

    • Don
    • June 21, 2024 at 11:23 AM
    Quote from TauPhi

    so-called accidents* - τά συμβεβηκότα

    Just to be clear for anyone reading this, TauPhi 's footnote is exactly right:

    Accident (philosophy) - Wikipedia

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    An accident (Greek συμβεβηκός), in metaphysics and philosophy, is a property that the entity or substance has contingently, without which the substance can still retain its identity. An accident does not affect its essence, according to many philosophers. It does not mean an "accident" as used in common speech, a chance incident, normally harmful.

    Philosophically speaking then, as I understand, my having a beard is one of my accidents; my being a human is an attribute of mine.

  • Episode 234 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 09 - Dealing With Marcus Aurelius And The Canonical Basis For the Epicurean View Of Divinity

    • Don
    • June 21, 2024 at 8:06 AM
    Quote from Cassius
    Quote from Bryan

    We smell and see the film that comes from our meal, for example.

    Ok now *there* is another potential issue. I thought that "images" are received directly by the mind, without going through the eyes, and that the "images" technically speaking are not visible or otherwise detectable by the five senses. Is that not the implication of the discussion in Book 4 of Lucretius, and the implication of what Cicero says to Cassius about the mind selecting images as involved in thinking of someone who is not present?

    My understanding is that *all* our sensations are based on "images"/fields/eidola. The mental faculty simply picks up the finest, most subtle images. But all sensations are based on touch, from the sense of touch itself to vision touching the images emitted by objects, to the mental faculty touching the finest most subtle fields.

    Of course, we now know that this isn't how our senses actually work. But Epicurus posited a completely material theory of sensation, so he gets kudos for that.

  • Welcome HollyGraves!

    • Don
    • June 19, 2024 at 10:58 AM

    The one I seem to return to again and again is at the ending of On Nature, Book 28, where Epicurus has gone on for feet of a scroll, he says, "So let the words which we have prattled suffice for the present." and the verb there is specifically a form of ἀδολεσχέω “to talk idly, prate” so it seems to me that Epicurus is being self-effacing. I really like that.

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, Α α, , ἀδι^κο-χρήματος , ἀδο-λεσχέω

  • Welcome HollyGraves!

    • Don
    • June 19, 2024 at 9:04 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    a luminary in the world of library science

    LOL 🤣 Please... Don't.... Stop. But seriously, "luminary" is FAR too kind (read: hyperbole:)).

    Quote from Cassius

    in an adjoining state so there may be some rivalry involved

    Friendly rivalry :) Even Ohio and Michigan get along and cooperate in the library world.

  • Welcome HollyGraves!

    • Don
    • June 19, 2024 at 8:36 AM
    Quote from HollyGraves

    circulation assistant

    Hey! Y'all in Lending keep the materials flowing to the people and you're on the frontlines of public service. :thumbup::thumbup:Kudos!

  • History of the Universe podcast

    • Don
    • June 19, 2024 at 7:13 AM
    Crash Course Pods: The Universe
    Dr. Katie Mack, a theoretical astrophysicist, walks #1 New York Times bestselling author John Green through the history of the entire universe - including the…
    crash-course-pods-the-universe.simplecast.com

    A great limited series podcast on the *entire* history of the universe. Accessible and fascinating. I've been enjoying it greatly myself.

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    Dr. Katie Mack, a theoretical astrophysicist, walks #1 New York Times bestselling author John Green through the history of the entire universe - including the parts that haven’t been written yet.

  • Welcome HollyGraves!

    • Don
    • June 18, 2024 at 8:22 AM

    Welcome to the forum :)

  • Article on the Science of Guilty Pleasures

    • Don
    • June 16, 2024 at 10:31 AM
    Quote from Remus

    "Pleasure Activist" is my new phrase of the day.

    The West is a guilt-culture, although some have observed that the Internet is changing it into a shame based culture. If so, I wonder if shame is any healthier than guilt.

    I noticed that "title" too :)

    Agree with the guilt. Considering the difference between "guilty pleasure" vs "shameful pleasure" is telling.

  • So You Want To Learn Ancient Greek Or Latin?

    • Don
    • June 15, 2024 at 11:13 AM
    Quote from Kalosyni

    Not sure if this translator is useful, or has already been mentioned:

    https://akhos.net/

    It seems a little wonky and only gives individual words definition by definition one word at a time. I would recommend simply going straight to Wiktionary.com. I think that's just what akhos is doing, so just bypass the intermediary and go straight to Wiktionary which gives links to LSJ and other sources.

  • General Notes On Fundamentals of Nature

    • Don
    • June 13, 2024 at 11:12 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    This thread is for discussion of the list of twelve fundamentals such as suggested by DeWitt or Clay

    Just to be clear, if anyone - DeWitt, Clay, Cassius, me, etc., - wants to assemble twelve "fundamentals" they're welcome to do it. There is zero fragmentary evidence for any definitive list of "twelve fundamentals" that Epicurus wrote and circulated. The only place this occurs - the ONLY place as far as I can find - is is the one in Diogenes Laertius (10.44): colour varies with the arrangement of the atoms he states in his "Twelve Rudiments". Δώδεκα στοιχειώσεσί ; further, that they are not of any and every size ; at any rate no atom has ever been seen by our sense.

    I think any of us could go through the letter to Herodotus, or to Pythocles, or Lucretius, and pull out twelve random "fundamentals" in Epicurean physics... and it would be just as "authoritative" as the one DeWitt and Clay put together. We have no idea what was contained in Epicurus' "Twelve Rudiments" other than that he said:

    1. color varies with the arrangement of the atoms
    2. atoms aren't of any and every size
    3. no atom has ever been seen by our senses

    ...according to Diogenes Laertius. And we don't know if those 3 were "rudiments/fundamentals" or if they were describing another fundamental or... anything.

    This is a soapbox of mine that I insist on standing on every once in a while. Finis for now.

  • Episode 227 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 02 - Velleius Begins His Attack On Traditional Views Of The Gods

    • Don
    • June 13, 2024 at 2:24 PM
    Quote from Little Rocker

    ' *Still* contentious in the schools in 1994.

    Mine was in the early 1980s.

  • Episode 227 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 02 - Velleius Begins His Attack On Traditional Views Of The Gods

    • Don
    • June 13, 2024 at 1:13 PM
    Quote from Little Rocker

    "But if cattle or lions had hands, so as to paint with their hands and produce works of art as men do, they would paint their gods and give them bodies in form like their own-horses like horses, cattle like cattle."

    I used that exact quote in an anti-Creationist editorial written for my high school newspaper after a creationist came to our school and presented during an assembly.

  • Episode 227 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 02 - Velleius Begins His Attack On Traditional Views Of The Gods

    • Don
    • June 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM

    For German readers:

    Gnosis Theon : Kleve, Knut : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    142 pages
    archive.org

    This is the work mentioned at the beginning in Farrington's chapter.

    Knut Kleve - Wikipedia

  • Episode 227 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 02 - Velleius Begins His Attack On Traditional Views Of The Gods

    • Don
    • June 11, 2024 at 10:13 PM

    For what it's worth, here's a section from The faith of Epicurus by Benjamin Farrington (1967)

    The faith of Epicurus : Farrington, Benjamin, 1891- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    xiii, 160 p. ; 22 cm
    archive.org

    Available to read with free account

  • Episode 227 - Cicero's OTNOTG - 02 - Velleius Begins His Attack On Traditional Views Of The Gods

    • Don
    • June 11, 2024 at 6:58 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    doesn't some kind of operation have to be "hard-coded" within us to get that process going from maybe as far back as the moment of conception?

    Maybe our individual capacity, but I would say it goes further back than that since other animals have the same or similar capacity.

  • So You Want To Learn Ancient Greek Or Latin?

    • Don
    • June 11, 2024 at 10:00 AM

    Seen online...

    :D:D:D

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