Fellows are the Fellows of the Jesus Seminar who were/are scholars who met in the 1970s/80s(?) to literally vote on whether Jesus said what the gospels say he said.
Grey means it was a toss up. Red would mean they agreed Jesus said it. Black, he didn't. (I think there is a pink category, too: red, pink, grey, black.
Here's the commentary on those verses from the Jesus Seminar 's The Five Gospels:
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The saying is preserved in Matthew and the Gospel of Thomas. Here the end of that section in the book:
Of course, there's only so many ways to say "pig" in Latin, but fwiw:
Latin for reference: Matthew 7:6: 6 Nolite dare sanctum canibus: neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante porcos, ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis, et conversi dirumpant vos.
Horace for reference:
Latin
inter spem curamque, timores inter et iras
omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum:
grata superveniet quae non sperabitur hora.
me pinguem et nitidum bene curata cute vises
cum ridere voles, Epicuri de grege porcum.
English (Loeb Classics)
Amid hopes and cares, amid fears and passions,
believe that every day that has dawned is your last.
Welcome will come to you another hour unhoped for.
As for me, when you want a laugh, you will find me in fine fettle,
fat and sleek, a hog from Epicurus’s herd.
Also, from Wikipedia as a start (emphasis added):
Cynicism gradually declined in importance after the 3rd century BC, but it experienced a revival with the rise of the Roman Empire in the 1st century. Cynics could be found begging and preaching throughout the cities of the empire, and similar ascetic and rhetorical ideas appeared in early Christianity.
I'm intrigued! I'll admit that I never made that connection, and possibly both animals were seen as unclean... But the juxtaposition of dogs and swine is too juicy to pass up digging into a little.
The phrase comes from Matthew 7:6: μὴ δῶτε τὸ ἅγιον τοῖς κυσίν μηδὲ βάλητε τοὺς μαργαρίτας ὑμῶν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν χοίρων μήποτε καταπατήσουσιν αὐτοὺς ἐν τοῖς ποσὶν αὐτῶν καὶ στραφέντες ῥήξωσιν ὑμᾶς
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (NRSVue)
χοῖρος, χοιρου, ὁ, from Homer down, a swine: plural, Matthew 7:6; Matthew 8:30,(31),32; Mark 5:11-13, 14 Rec.,(16); Luke 8:32; Luke 15:15f. (Not found in the O. T.)
So, the only other uses of χοιρος are Jesus casting demons into swine and the prodigal son eating what swine eat when he was starving from the famine.
But that juxtaposition in "Jesus'" words in Matthew does intrigue me, could it be Cynics and Epicureans?? The part about tearing you to pieces reminds me of Acts 17.
Act 17:18 - Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection....
And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
Questions for me:
Did the Jesus Seminar vote that Jesus said Matthew 7:6?
Were the Cynics and Epicureans active when and where Matthew was written?
What word did Horace use for "a pig in Epicurus' sty" in Latin? Is that the one in the Vulgate?
Have any scholars gone this route with Matthew 7:6?
Great question, Al-Hakiim von Grof !
Thanks for the kind comments on my presentation as well as the thought-provoking commentary in your post. Food for thought (pun fully intended 
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And for January/Gamelion 20, new discoveries in Pompeii... Or as I like to think of it, that city beside Herculaneum...
And today is one of those rare occurrences when the ancient Greek calendar commemoration of Epicurus' birthday on the 20th of Gamelion also coincides with the modern Gregorian calendar date of January 20!!
Note: It is well nigh impossible to fully synchronize the ancient and modern calendars for a myriad of reasons. However, the reckoning I'm using - and recommend - is that used by Hellenion: https://www.hellenion.org/calendar/
(And, yes, that image above is edited from a screenshot from my phone. Yes, I have the Hellenion calendar on my Google calendar as an option. Yes, I am a nerd... And proud of it )
PS: Oh, and in reading my Substack subscriptions, I see Hiram Crespo uses the same calendar:
I'm sold...
https://search.worldcat.org/en/title/879642283
That's the WorldCat link if anyone wants to borrow from their public library.
Welcome aboard!
You might be interested in this thread:
There's a lot more connection to Epicurus in that period than we've been led to believe.
The French Enlightenment thinkers and earlier French writers are also a fascinating piece of that history, as Charles has pointed out in the past, including LaMettrie, Voltaire, Gassendi, et al.
LOL Al-Hakiim von Grof , you didn't expect so much homework, did you?
Seriously though, just feel free to dig in as deeply and as quickly as you find pleasurable! There's a welcoming group of people here to bounce ideas off of, to ask questions of, and to explore the philosophy with.
Welcome aboard, Al-Hakiim von Grof !
You've hit on a fascinating topic. It seems undeniable to me that Jefferson's Epicurean leanings influenced his political thought. However, the final draft of the Declaration went through a committee as well as revisions from the whole Congress before being accepted. A large part of Jefferson's original draft remained intact through the process, but there were significant changes made nonetheless. Here's a history of the creation of the Declaration from the US National Archives:
There's also this from Monticello stating that "pursuit of happiness" could have clearly been influenced by George Mason's "Virginia Declaration of Rights"
There's also
Historian Peter Moore appears to have written an entire book on "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
So, Jefferson's phrase doesn't appear to be unique to him or *wholly* a result of his personal Epicureanism, but Epicurus's ideas were percolating throughout the Enlightenment era.
Personally, I'm torn on how I feel about Jefferson. He was a fascinating man of science and invention, a pivotal Founder, a heckuva writer, but many of his actions make him difficult to like and from many accounts he was not an inspiring speaker.
That's probably a more lengthy response than you wanted! I'm glad you found our little Garden here online.
The case for laying emphasis in the episode on "lower case s 'skepticism' vs upper case s 'Skepticism'" is a good one. *BUT* there's one thing to note about Lucian's Alexander the Oracle Monger when the translation says "It was an occasion for a Democritus, nay, for an Epicurus or a Metrodorus[1], perhaps, a man whose intelligence was steeled against such assaults by scepticism and insight, one who, if he could not detect the precise imposture, would at any rate have been perfectly certain that, though this escaped him, the whole thing was a lie and an impossibility."
The Greek doesn't use the word for skeptic (σκέψις skepsis, "inquiry") or a similar word. The word used is ἀπιστέω. The whole phrase is:
ἢ καὶ αὐτοῦ Ἐπικούρου (Epikourou) ἢ Μητροδώρου (Metrodorou) ἤ τινος ἄλλου ἀδαμαντίνην πρὸς τὰ τοιαῦτα τὴν γνώμην ἔχοντος, ὡς ἀπιστῆσαι καὶ ὅπερ ἦν εἰκάσαι, καὶ εἰ μὴ εὑρεῖν τὸν τρόπον ἐδύνατο, ἐκεῖνο γοῦν προπεπεισμένου, ὅτι λέληθεν αὐτὸν ὁ τρόπος τῆς μαγγανείας, τὸ δ᾽ οὖν πᾶν ψεῦδός ἐστι καὶ γενέσθαι ἀδύνατον.
The key words are:
PS. I want to add (to be clear) that the skeptic/Skeptic distinction is valid and an important one due to the idiosyncrasies of English. Lower case skeptical is a decent translation of ἀφεστήξω, but looking at the ancient Greek itself - from my perspective - always provides additional nuance.
One thing that seems to be coming up in my research is that meat-eating was not nearly as prevalent in ancient Greece as we think of it now. That's one reason religious/civic festivals were so popular. Everyone got meat from the sacrificial animals roasting on the altar. The gods got the "choice" bits (fat, entrails, etc. - See here for a fascinating article) and the roasted meat was shared among all the celebrants. The ancient Greeks were not a "meat and potatoes" kind of people; more generally-speaking like a "bread and vegetables" people.
The plural of anecdote is not data
I had not heard that before. That's a good one to remember. That'll show up in a future presentation for me at some point!
Here's an excerpt from Alan Watts' essay "Murder in the Kitchen"
Oh, and I just want to add here that I don't give out 
too often, and Cassius got two three in a row 
"An example of this sort of thing would be a flock of sheep. A flock of sheep is a real entity with real attributes, just as the individual sheep are real entities with different attributes. Just as the individual sheep are made of atoms, the flock is made of individual sheep."
I like this. That's well done.
I'm not sure I'm entirely ready to embrace the last paragraph, but the reasoning is sound it seems to me. I'm assuming you're aiming for a mechanism for the existence of the (physical) gods.
For raw text, I just mine the p.herc section of the Digital Corpus of Literary Papyri.
I do loves the papyri.info. A great place for images of the papyri themselves, too (for anyone perusing this thread).
