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  • Cape Elizabeth, Maine

    • Joshua
    • July 31, 2019 at 12:50 PM

    With time to spare on a load to South Portland, I caught a ride to the seaside. What a delight it was to see the Atlantic again! I haven't stepped in it's waters since I was a boy. I started the day at Two Lights, and strode into the surf still wearing socks and shoes. This I later regretted, but was completely enchanted with.

    People were scattered on the rocks, watching the spray and the sailboats on a cloudless day; one man was fishing, and pulled in a striped sea bass while I watched.

    The driver had directed me to the lobster shack for lunch, and there I soon bent my sloshing steps. I am lately a lover of Lobster Rolls, having tried them for the first time in Salt Lake City. Homemade blueberry pie to accompany, and all of it seasoned with a view of the sea. After this I walked the 6 miles up to Fort William's Park, the home of Portland Head Light.

    This view inspired the following ditty (an emblem of our school?), and I was fascinated to learn of all the hands that go toward maintaining a lighthouse through the ages. New hands, new lenses to focus, new paint on the exterior; but an unchanging tradition of guidance, refuge and safe harbor.

    The Lighthouse

    Perched on shores of treacherous shoals

    Where water heaves and, crashing, rolls

    Beneath the beam that scans for souls,

    The weathered prow and turning lens

    That mortal after mortal tends

    Stands firm unto the end of ends.

    I finished the day with a stroll along the wharfside in downtown Portland; a well-made margherita pizza at the Porland Pie Co.; a cigar for desert by sundown over the city; and a third conversation with yet another driver as I returned to the truck.

    (P.S. I also experienced sore feet and a small blister; the loss of my phone, and it's safe return; and the sight of a doomsday preacher in the park. Those and other pleasures I reserve for my later amusement.)

    -Josh

  • SETI Resources / Links

    • Joshua
    • July 29, 2019 at 8:47 AM

    I don't really follow it all that closely, Cassius. Obviously the subject figures prominently in Science Fiction, which I'm trying to read more of. Some of my friends are more into all that than I am, but I talk with them about it, and the subject invariably comes up in conversations about meaning, the afterlife, the shape of the world, etc. For me it's the vastness of it all that is most enchanting. Richard Feynam believed that that alone was evidence against religion; "the stage is too big for the drama."

    And now for Sean Bean, and some misplaced Yorkshire goodness;

  • SETI Resources / Links

    • Joshua
    • July 29, 2019 at 3:41 AM

    Here's a scattershot summary of the state of play. I'm mostly just going off what I've learned in reading.

    1. H²O is more common than people think. Hydrogen is most common element; helium second, oxygen third. Most common molecule is H². Helium is inert, doesn't bond. O² is quite common as well; H²O very likely to be widespread.

    2. Exoplanets being discovered all the time, including at the nearest star system to Sol (Proxima Centauri). This process is mostly done by computers now.

    3. Earth-life more resilient than once thought. Thriving microorganisms happily bubbling away at deep-water vents, where the water is hot enough to boil, but can't because the pressure is too high. These extremophiles suggest the goldilocks zone wider than we thought.

    4. Space is BIG. Proxima Centauri is the closest system, and it's still 4 light-years away. It would take our fastest probes 50,000 years to get there. Humans discovered agriculture at the end of the last ice-age, about 12,000 years ago. Written history is at most 5,000 years old. We're simply not equipped to conceive of these distances/timescales.

    5. Space is OLD. Hold your arm out to the side, parallel to the ground. If you measure the history of Earth from the center of your sternum to the edge of your fingertip, all of human history would vanish in one pass of a nail file at the end of your fingernail. What if there WAS a space-faring civilization "nearby", but we missed it by half a billion years?

    6. The Dark Forest Theory; this is an attempt to answer the Fermi paradox (where's all the life?) based on game theory. Basically, any civilization would have to assume that a contact event would have a high probability of being catastrophic for that civilization. So if there are other civilizations out there, we should assume they are trying not to be found. (In Earth's history, our most influential contact-event was the European discovery of the Americas. It was disastrous for the Native Americans.)

  • Opening of SETI / Space Exploration Forum

    • Joshua
    • July 28, 2019 at 10:17 PM

    This question was one of the three major 'problems' in Epicureanism that led St. Augustine of Hippo to reject the school as impossible to reconcile with the faith he was trying to codify. However attractive he found our ethics, he couldn't tolerate a philosophy that taught: first, that the Universe was the sport of chance; second, that the soul perished with the body; and third, that there were other worlds, and an infinity of time in both directions.

    He responded thus; "There is no place beside the world, no time before the world." Some readers try to reinterpret that phrase to mean "no place beside the universe, etc..."

    But it's very clear what he meant, and who he was responding to.

  • Poem - Abonoteichus

    • Joshua
    • July 26, 2019 at 9:00 PM

    Thanks Cassius! The backdrop of this dialogue is Abonoteichus on the Black Sea, during the 'reign' of Alexander-the-Oracle-Monger, prophet of the snake-god Glycon. Lucian mentions that Alexander once made himself "supremely ridiculous" by burning a copy of Epicurus' Principle Doctrines and throwing the ashes into the sea. I wanted to explore the reaction of the Epicurean community to such aggressions.

  • Poem - Abonoteichus

    • Joshua
    • July 26, 2019 at 8:36 PM

    I have Giordano Bruno in mind in the third line from the end, although I'm not sure that kind of sacrifice is really sound doctrine. And I'm also aware that "Scholarch" may not be the right word here, in a school so far from Athens.

  • Poem - Abonoteichus

    • Joshua
    • July 26, 2019 at 8:14 PM

    This poem is written in the form of a sestina, with repeating end-words. The first stanza sets the pattern; each subsequent stanza recycles the words according to the one before, in this formula: 5, 2, 4, 3, 6, 1. Because the second-line word goes second in the next stanza as well, its position never changes. That word is "garden"--stable, reliable, unaltered.

    The scene of the poem is the city written about by Lucian.

    Abonoteichus - a dialogue

    Scholarch:

    By winds and waves that storm our coast for ages!

    By sighing Aphrodite in her garden,

    Where hast thou been my son, for there is fire

    Deep in thine eyes, and strife upon thy temple?

    What trial shakes thy soul with trembling atoms,

    Sieging thy mind like a beleaguered city?

    Ephebos:

    I strain my limbs for use of all their atoms

    And refuge take in this the soothing garden,

    For multitudes are gathered at the temple

    Where piled scrolls are ravaged in the fire!

    A sickness lies upon this seething city,

    And men disgrace the memory of ages!

    Scholarch:

    Ah--is that all? Have ye not seen this city

    Charméd by snakes, defiling grove and garden,

    With grim religion spreading fast as fire?

    Have ye not seen them lurking by that temple--

    and of all sexes, qualities, and ages--

    Who rain on Epicurus scorn like atoms?

    Ephebos:

    But can it have been so in all past ages?

    Can truth have grown free only in a garden

    Which ought by rights have garlanded a temple?

    Will all mankind forsake that sacred fire,

    Spurning pleasure--denying void and atoms?

    Naught but Euxine waters would cleanse this city!

    Scholarch:

    Peace son! Their worth is measured not in atoms.

    Some yet will seek true health, and this our garden

    Will beckon them--a solitary fire

    Against the darkness; a bright green-grass temple

    Unroofed to starlight, shining like a city,

    And crowned with all the wisdom of the ages!

    Ephebos:

    Wilt thou then that we leave for that city?

    Scholarch:

    And bear the fruit of peace from out this garden.

    Ephebos:

    Even into the shadow of that temple?

    Scholarch:

    For Epicurus, even unto fire.

    Ephebos:

    And make his wisdom echo through the ages--

    Scholarch:

    And calm that rage, that rends his scrolls to atoms.

    -josh

  • Epicurean Physics and Modernity

    • Joshua
    • July 24, 2019 at 6:08 PM

    His Getty lecture was great. I really wish he had read the audiobook himself, it always enhances the experience if they're good at.

    The Italian gentleman who did read the audiobook did well though, and his native language helped a lot with all of the Italian words and names.

  • In memory of the Men

    • Joshua
    • July 20, 2019 at 11:08 AM

    Excellent write-up, Hiram. Nice to have these brief biographies all in one place. Happy twentieth!

  • Happy 20 with a lot of news from Italy

    • Joshua
    • July 20, 2019 at 10:56 AM

    You've been keeping busy! Looks great, I hope everyone has a good time!

  • Happy Twentieth of July: Remembering That Pleasure Has Many Enemies

    • Joshua
    • July 20, 2019 at 3:08 AM

    Excellent post, Cassius, and happy Twentieth!

    An excerpt from Thoreau's journal (emphasis mine).

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    Up and down the town, men and boys that are under subjection are polishing their shoes and brushing their go-to-meeting clothes. I, a descendant of Northmen who worshipped Thor, spend my time worshipping neither Thor nor Christ; a descendant of Northmen who sacrificed men and horses, sacrifice neither men nor horses. I care not for Thor nor for the Jews. I sympathize not to-day with those who go to church in newest clothes and sit quietly in straight-backed pews. I sympathize rather with the boy who has none to look after him, who borrows a boat and a paddle and in common clothes sets out to explore these temporary vernal lakes. I meet such a boy paddling along under a sunny bank, with bare feet and his pants rolled up to his knees, ready to leap into the water at a moment’s warning. Better for him to read “Robinson Crusoe” than Baxter’s “Saints’ Rest.”

    A life dedicated to pleasure and the study of nature. Nature ephermal, changing in appearance but unchanging in its atomic laws; raw, real, beautiful.

    Fill your cup with pleasures!

  • Edward Abbey - My Favorite Quotes

    • Joshua
    • July 11, 2019 at 7:57 PM

    Edward Abbey was an iconoclast, a contrarian, a gadfly, and a radical. He was a desert ranger, a poet, a novelist, a student of philosophy, and a keen observer of nature and human life. He was an aesthetic, a sensualist, an atheist, a materialist, and in general terms an antagonist. A provocateur.

    In a list of his favorite poets, he names first Anacreon and then Lucretius . He is, after Thoreau, my second favorite essayist.

    Here are a few of my favorite quotes:

    Quote

    My loyalties will not be bound by national borders, or confined in time by one nation's history, or limited in the spiritual dimension by one language and culture. I pledge my allegiance to the damned human race, and my everlasting love to the green hills of Earth, and my intimations of glory to the singing stars, to the very end of space and time. from his journal; (cf. Diogenes of Oenoanda)

    Quote

    Has joy any survival value in the operations of evolution? I suspect that it does; I suspect that the morose and fearful are doomed to quick extinction. Where there is no joy there can be no courage; and without courage all other virtues are useless. Desert Solitaire (places joy prior to virtue)

    Quote

    As for the "solitary confinement of the mind," my theory is that solipsism, like other absurdities of the professional philosopher, is a product of too much time wasted in library stacks between the covers of a book, in smoke-filled coffeehouses (bad for brains) and conversation-clogged seminars. To refute the solipsist or the metaphysical idealist all that you have to do is take him out and throw a rock at his head: if he ducks he's a liar. His logic may be airtight but his argument, far from revealing the delusions of living experience, only exposes the limitations of logic. -Desert Solitaire (relevant to a lot of arguments, like free will and determinism)

    Quote

    From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm.

    Quote
    If my decomposing carcass helps nourish the roots of a Juniper tree or the wings of a vulture-that is immortality enough for me. And as much as anyone deserves.
    Quote

    Paradise is not a garden of bliss and changeless perfection where the lions lie down like lambs (what would they eat?) and the angels and cherubim and seraphim rotate in endless idiotic circles, like clockwork, about an equally inane and ludicrous -- however roseate -- unmoved mover. That particular painted fantasy of a realm beyond time and space which Aristotle and the church fathers tried to palm off on us has met, in modern times, only neglect and indifference passing on into oblivion it so richly deserved, while the paradise of which I write and wish to praise is with us yet, the here and now, the actual, tangible, dogmatically real earth on which we stand. -Desert Solitaire

    Well, that's enough to be going on.

    -josh

  • Book Review - Call Me By Your Name

    • Joshua
    • July 11, 2019 at 10:25 AM

    He is the PERFECT choice for Paul Atreides. Stellar casting.

    I watched the movie before listening to the audiobook. Both were great. Armee Hammer (Oliver in the film) reads the audiobook. It was really well done.

  • Book Review - Call Me By Your Name

    • Joshua
    • July 10, 2019 at 7:52 PM

    Call Me By Your Name

    André Aciman, 2007

    I wasn't sure whether to do this here, but the novel is too beautiful and heart-breaking to put out of my mind, and too pleasant and relevant not to share.

    Call Me By Your Name is a more-than-bi-curious coming-of-age tale set in a lovely Italian villa on the coast of the Mediterranean. A precocious and literary 17-year-old boy named Elio spends his summer days in the back garden, transcribing Bach as he strums the guitar or fingers the piano; or else dips in the pool in the noonday sun, or in the sea just beyond. Or on the tennis court, with friends and cousins. By evenings he dines alfresco with his cultivated and scholarly family--the conversation sliding between English, French, and Italian as it suits--while the sun sets, the wine flows and the apricots ripen in the garden orchard.

    His father, a professor, hosts one American graduate student each year in a summer residency at the villa. The student this summer, a 24-year old named Oliver, is working on a manuscript for a book he's writing on Heraclitus and the Pre-Socratics. Over his six-week residency, the two young men forge a difficult, sensual and poignant friendship that will change both their lives forever.

    Aciman's novel is a protracted study of human pleasures, and the barbs they leave in us after we've known them. The scene is rich with subtle ironies and affinities: a secular Jewish-American family living "discretely" in Catholic Italy; a life of the mind, living in a body that declines--refuses--to be ignored; a world of sepia-toned books and culture and music, and the raw red emotions that bleed inexorably through all the artifice. A world of Lucretius, and Heraclitus, and Giordano Bruno in the Campo Di Fiori; but also of Dante, of Mussolini, of the crowded churches of Rome. Parallel lives.

    The novel is intelligent, powerful, raw, brooding, contemplative, and sensual. Highly recommended!

    -josh

  • Polyaenus quotes

    • Joshua
    • July 10, 2019 at 6:57 PM

    Loving these fragments, Hiram!

  • Poem - Iowa Fields

    • Joshua
    • July 10, 2019 at 6:49 PM

    Thank you;

    I did up the last stanza first, and wrote the rest as prelude. What I am beginning to understand is that so much of my thinking about Hellenism, philosophy, Epicurus, art, poetry, love, literature etc. is shadowed--I do not say overshadowed--by the hue of mortality. Some will, no doubt, find something morbid in this. A sickness of the soul--the sigh of Ecclesiastes, who has made the diagnosis (that life flows quickly, and leaves very little behind), but did not, could not, know the cure. (A god-shaped hole?)

    But there is no sickness. No diagnosis to be made. I am not diseased. Not a god-shaped hole, but a whole, atomic in its unity, that needs no gods. I am merely, complete-ly, human. Nothing human is alien to me, said Terence. No man is an island, said Donne. Perhaps the old priest knew as much as the pagan poet after all.

    I was 29 years old when I learned that the flower of the yucca was edible. Every lakota boy would have learned that by the age of 4. How many yuccas went untasted by me? The pleasures that salve us are all around; will we see them? We will learn of them in time; those natural palliatives? Not a cure, for we need and want no cure, but a sweetness, the scent of which lifts our heads to ever-higher glories. A light that shines on us in the dark; not like the copper's torch, to catch us slinking in fear; but like the stars, shining into a dim close wood, and finding us rising, rising to their shining!

    -josh

  • Poem - Iowa Fields

    • Joshua
    • July 10, 2019 at 2:30 PM

    Iowa Fields

    to Epicurus

    I saw Ilium gleam

    As her walls, in a dream,

    Watched her sons return home on their shields--

    Saw the marching Greek host

    In the corn, and the coast

    Of Asia in

    Iowa fields.

    The philosophers spoke

    In the shade of the oak

    As the willows and cottonwoods reeled

    In an October gale

    Blowing hearty and hale,

    Pages flipping in

    Iowa fields

    And I wrote out your name

    On the face of the stream,

    Writ in water but never repealed--

    Made your garden to bloom

    Like the yucca, festooned;

    Flowering lonely in

    Iowa fields.

    And your precepts I pressed

    Like a stamp to my chest--

    And a ring on my finger revealed

    Where your likeness was cast

    And a voice from the past

    Rose up godlike in

    Iowa fields.

    I hoped to see thee again

    By the feld or the fen

    When the bells of the Twentieth pealed.

    But--alas! lies my ring

    At the end of all things

    In a grave beneath

    Iowa fields.

  • Honesty among Friends

    • Joshua
    • July 10, 2019 at 1:54 PM

    Great post, Elayne! I've known my oldest and best friends since we were 3 or 4 years old in preschool together. If I lied about my emotional state to them, they would know I was lying straight off, and would call me out on it! I hope I would do as much for them.

    Nearly 30 years later, I know that there will always be a place for me at their table; on their couch; around their campfire. A place I can always go back to, and it would feel just like going home.

    Quote

    We must have infinite faith in each other. If we have not, we must never let it leak out that we have not.

    Henry David Thoreau, Journals

  • Ubuntu: African Humanism and Epicurean Philanthropy

    • Joshua
    • July 8, 2019 at 4:34 PM

    Interesting article, thanks for that.

    Theology has been disastrous for healthcare initiatives in Africa. The Catholic position on contraceptives has meant untold numbers dying horribly from HIV transmission, and Islamic resistance to "western" immunization is one of the obstacles that has forestalled the eradication of Polio in countries like Nigeria. So it's definitely worthwhile pointing out that there are cultural resources inherent to Africa that antedate the arrival of the missionaries, and can be called upon to unite her people.

  • Summarizing Epicurean Philosophy vs Objectivism

    • Joshua
    • July 6, 2019 at 9:30 AM
    Quote

    -hedonism

    The pursuit of one's own pleasure as an end in itself; in ethics, the view that such a pursuit is the proper aim of all action. Since there are different conceptions of pleasure there are correspondingly different varieties of hedonism.

    -Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy

    I think that hedonism has a sufficiently clipped and precise definition, particularly under the heading of ethics.

    However, I also understand that many are apt to confuse the word with sybaritism, and libertinism. But it will always be the case that the real confusion is over the word pleasure itself. No getting around that, I'm afraid.

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