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New Graphics: Are You On Team Epicurus? | Comparison Chart: Epicurus vs. Other Philosophies | Chart Of Key Epicurean Quotations | Accelerating Study Of Canonics Through Philodemus' "On Methods Of Inference" | Note to all users: If you have a problem posting in any forum, please message Cassius  

  • Letter to Menoikeus translation by Peter Saint-Andre

    • Godfrey
    • May 30, 2023 at 7:26 PM

    Stephen White

    "So when we say that pleasure is the end, we do not mean the pleasures of the dissolute or those of indulgence, as some mistakenly maintain, whether out of disagreement or malicious distortion."

    Noting that I'm completely ignorant of the Greek, I could see how pleasures of "indulgence" in this translation could refer to being out of limits.

  • Who to believe?

    • Godfrey
    • May 29, 2023 at 12:10 AM

    Life and the world suddenly make sense when freed from religious faith. This freedom allows the great pleasure of personal agency and responsibility.

  • Who to believe?

    • Godfrey
    • May 27, 2023 at 12:32 PM

    A proper understanding of Epicurus doesn't just fall off the page: it takes time, and work, but ultimately is very rewarding.

    As noted, there isn't much remaining from Epicurus himself, and many of the ancient sources are hostile. As is much of the modern and contemporary scholarship.

    My process began with reading as much I could find, often haphazardly, and trying to make sense of it. Then I discovered this forum; at that time writing and developing personal outlines of the philosophy was being emphasized. I found writing and getting feedback on an outline was very helpful, a bit intimidating, and just a beginning.

    A key part of my process has been to try to put to use what I've read and to see if it is useful in my daily life. This has been very helpful, as it has allowed me to shed some unhelpful ideas while continuing to pursue those which I find fruitful.

    Continuing with reading: modern, non-Epicurean authors such as Victor Stenger, Lisa Feldman Barrett and many others have proven to be quite relevant for me. Plus some (but not much, I find it painful!) reading of Plato and Aristotle has been really good for providing context. Even a book or two on the pre-Socratics has been quite interesting, to show the early development of Greek thought.

    In short, for me at least, Epicurus has proven to be a gateway to all sorts of study and understanding. So much of his thinking is being built upon even today, mostly without acknowledgement. He wrote that he got great pleasure from the study of natural philosophy, and I'm finding something similar. The interesting thing is that so much divergent reading can lead to a better understanding of what Epicurus was saying so long ago.

    The Stoics are famous for their "spiritual exercises"; this continuing study is an important Epicurean exercise. As is always testing what you read through your direct experience.

    Hopefully this rambling post is of some relevance to your question ThinkingCat !

  • "Living for Pleasure" Book Study Group - Starting April 30, 2023 - Via Zoom

    • Godfrey
    • May 25, 2023 at 9:11 PM

    I'd like to attend.

  • Humanity in relation to time (video)

    • Godfrey
    • May 25, 2023 at 4:37 PM

    Somewhat related, this video plots humanity in relation to the age of the universe using a 4 mile long model in the desert.

  • Video: 5 Ways to Improve Your Breathing with James Nestor

    • Godfrey
    • May 19, 2023 at 5:18 PM

    Thanks Kalosyni ! Lots of useful information in a short and concise video.

  • The Importance Of The Perfect Not Being Allowed To Be The Enemy of The Good

    • Godfrey
    • May 18, 2023 at 1:26 PM

    Isn't "perfect" more along the lines of a Platonic ideal than an actionable concept? What is the most perfect iteration of any given thing? If you're comparing several things you can determine one to be the most perfect based on the criteria you select. Beyond that, anything can always be more perfect. But how would you define "Perfect"? It's much like "Quality" in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

    As a practical matter, "perfect" can be used as a label. But that varies from person to person, from life stage to life stage, from context to context.

    (I haven't read any of the above attachments, so apologies if I'm just repeating something said elsewhere.)

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 16, 2023 at 2:35 PM

    Comparing #12 to #21, I would describe (poorly, I admit) #12 as having almost "pugilistic" features compared to Epicurus' typical portrayal. That's a bad word choice, but the one that comes immediately to mind. Look at #12's broad, short nose, compared with Epicurus' relatively long, thin nose. #12's head shape seems thicker, Epicurus' longer.

    Put another way, I picture (rightly or wrongly) Epicurus as an ectomorph body type based on his typical portrayal, whereas I picture #12 as more of an endomorph type.

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 16, 2023 at 12:28 PM

    Now that it's not so early, the book cover doesn't look like Epicurus. As for #12, the shape of the head seems wrong and he's way too stern to accord with the images of Epicurus that I'm used to seeing.

    A large part of the problem could be that different artists had different interpretations. Or different levels of skill. How many statues of contemporary athletes have you seen that look nothing like the athlete? ^^

    BTW there's a YouTube video of James Corden showing David Beckham a goofy version of his statue before the unveiling, which is a great send up of the modern athlete statue.

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 16, 2023 at 9:42 AM

    On the book cover his right shoulder is much higher so they are would appear to be different sculptures. However after examining #12 above and then looking at the book cover, the book cover looks more like Epicurus 8o

    But it's early here, and I'm looking on my phone, so there's much squinting involved.

  • Quotes from Karl Krohn's dissertation "Der Epikureer Hermarchos"

    • Godfrey
    • May 16, 2023 at 1:24 AM

    Interesting that the PDs are referred to as "sentences." In the Saint-Andre translation I quickly counted only 5 as having more than one sentence. This may help to explain, at least to a degree, how they were divided into the current 40 PDs: the original groupings may have simply been separated into sentences.

    Somewhere I read, although I can't remember where, that the authorship of the PDs was in question. Wherever I read it, I think a footnote connected the idea to an Italian source. Tantalizing, but not much help!

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 16, 2023 at 1:00 AM

    To me, Epicurus has a slightly thinner face with slightly more pronounced cheekbones than the figure in #5 and #12; I would not say that that is Epicurus. Looks much more stern than Epicurus as well. But if the image is labeled "Epicurus," that could explain how it ended up on the Guyau book cover.

  • Free And Open Source Software (Use Computer Technology For Happier Living)

    • Godfrey
    • May 15, 2023 at 12:48 PM

    Cassius do you use LibreOffice Draw for your highlighted and underlined text clips that you post? For your other posted graphics? I use other aspects of LibreOffice but haven't tried Draw.

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 15, 2023 at 12:31 AM

    If you zoom in on the images in my original post, you can see tiny numbers beneath the sculptures. Descriptions of these are in the text to the left of the two Epicurus images.

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 15, 2023 at 12:28 AM

    Yes. Sorry for the poor image quality!

  • Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

    • Godfrey
    • May 14, 2023 at 9:39 PM

    Today I was in an out-of-town bookstore with my family and ran across this book, which is the catalog from the exhibit at the Getty in Malibu a few years ago:

    Buried by Vesuvius: The Villa dei Papiri at Herculaneum - Google Books

    It may be of interest in itself, but what I noticed while quickly browsing through it was a few images in particular. Pardon my poor photo quality; the store was one of those great rabbit-warrens of books and lighting wasn't a prime concern in the design....

    (L-R, top to bottom: Epicurus, Epicurus, Hermarchus and Demosthenes)

    Here's an image of the pig. In case it's not legible, the dimension given is the height, which is 40cm (15.75") including the base.

    And the prosciutto. The height is 11.3cm to which the ring adds 2.5cm; the width is 7.8cm.

  • "Living Life Full Measure" as an Epicurean Metaphor

    • Godfrey
    • May 14, 2023 at 7:32 PM

    Not to repeat myself, but this also relates to my comment elsewhere:

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    RE: PD01 - Gratitude and Weakness (Especially In Relation to the Gods)

    This brings to mind pleasure ethics v duty ethics: if you consider it to be your duty to do a particular thing then you're likely to pursue it regardless of the pain involved. Compare this to pleasure ethics, where minimizing pain is a concern: you may achieve the same thing, but often much more pleasurably for all involved. Or you may choose to flee from the particular thing if you judge it to be a corrosive desire.
    Godfrey
    May 14, 2023 at 7:27 PM
  • PD01 - Gratitude and Weakness (Especially In Relation to the Gods)

    • Godfrey
    • May 14, 2023 at 7:27 PM

    This brings to mind pleasure ethics v duty ethics: if you consider it to be your duty to do a particular thing then you're likely to pursue it regardless of the pain involved. Compare this to pleasure ethics, where minimizing pain is a concern: you may achieve the same thing, but often much more pleasurably for all involved. Or you may choose to flee from the particular thing if you judge it to be a corrosive desire.

  • Lucretius Book Study Group (SASA)

    • Godfrey
    • May 13, 2023 at 1:10 AM

    I'm just hoping that one isn't required to know Latin to participate ^^ Not being a scholar, and all.

    It does sound like it would have a lot of overlap with the podcast and the forum.

  • Lucretius Book Study Group (SASA)

    • Godfrey
    • May 12, 2023 at 11:10 PM

    What exactly is a "text-in-translation" reading group? Is that a specific way of saying that they'll be reading it in English?

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