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  • Further Thoughts On Science And Epicurean Philosophy

    • Eikadistes
    • January 11, 2024 at 11:40 AM
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    So, the question: How does this devotion lead you to life perspectives for today that you could not derive from similar effort to examining the world today?

    [...] it is a question about how the philosophical frameworks of two millennia ago are the same or different from today.

    For me, the answer is theology.

    Regarding physics, we are all (in my not so humble opinion) already Epicureans, whether we realize it or not. As long as we carry universal miniature computers in our pockets that triangulate our positions with respect to the curvature of spacetime, and as long as we are relying on technologies like MRIs to diagnose brain disease, then, without question, we have, as a culture, adopted Indeterministic Atomism.

    Regarding epistemology, I make an argument in a paper published by the Society of Friends of Epicurus that suggests that (with our without Epicurus), we would still be navigating the waters of reality with raw sensations, with sensual impressions, and with a sense of feeling. Our scientific enterprise is fundamentally grounded in Empiricism: https://epicureandatabase.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/on-…leasure-wisdom/

    Regarding ethics, we might (culturally) sway between uncompromising declarations of moral purity and fleeting devotion to popular virtues, but, at the end of the day, whether it's national defense or just a consumer trying to live on a budget, we are pursuing the pleasant life. We might be influenced by Puritans, but even the Puritans had to submit to the natural will of Winter that required an ethics of Consequentialism.

    Theology, however, was a chasm for me, and the teachings of Epicurus provided me with the tools I needed to cross that chasm (if you'll excuse the clunky metaphor). For most of my life, I was, first and foremost, a critic of Christianity; by extension, Abrahamic religion; and, specifically (as I came to find) a critic of the very unique proposition of an immanent, benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient creator. Overall, I identified as an atheist.

    Through a study of Epicurean Philosophy, I came to acknowledge that the human impulse to practice piety is natural, and that the idealization of role models as deities is an equally natural practice that we observe in disconnected human societies. As a result, my position of atheism only really addresses the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, but failed to engage the idea of non-Immanent, non-Creator (and other conceptions).

    So, without Epicurus, I would still be a critical atheist that reduced anyone's expression of religiosity to a delusion of the mind, or an uneducated misunderstanding of psychology. Now, I accept that theism (when grounded in atomism) is a perfectly coherent and useful position.

  • NeoPlatonism Basics Relevant to the Study of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • January 10, 2024 at 12:42 AM
    Quote from Eggplant Wizard

    I'd be interested to see the evidence for a direct link from Vedanta to neoplatonism. I am skeptical but all ears.

    Plotinus studied under Ammonius Saccas, whose name possibly suggests that he originated from the Shakya clan (from which Siddhartha Guatama originated seven centuries earlier). If he was not literally a member of the Shakya clan (modern-day Nepal), his biography indicates that he was subject to the philosophies of the Classical Period of India, between the Maurya and Gupta Empires (elsewhere called the "Golden Age of Hinduism"). According to Porphyry, "From [his twenty-eight year] that day [Plotinus] stayed continually with Ammonius and acquired so complete a training in philosophy that he became eager to make acquaintance with the Persian philosophical discipline and that prevailing among the Indians." From this, I expect that he would have at least some familiarity with the Upanishads and some exposure to either orthodox or heterodox Indian philosophies.

    It is still somewhat speculative, but he was at the right place at the right time. The attestation might be fragmentary, but the consistency of the ideas, and the coherence between concepts like the The One (seemingly Brahman), Henosis (seemingly Moksha), the framing of evil as ignorance, the goal as liberation over ignorance and enlightenment over darkness through the light vis-a-vis truth vis-a-vis goodness ... it sounds alarmingly similar to the extent that I think that Ammonius Saccas and his followers did the same thing that Pyrrho did to earlier "gymnosophists". (As it seems to me, Pryhho adopted the philosophy of Ajñāna (or his understanding and/or adaptation of Ajñāna and others) and re-branded it at Pyrrhonian Skepticism.)

  • NeoPlatonism Basics Relevant to the Study of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • January 9, 2024 at 2:12 PM

    One thing that left an impression on me in recent research was the similarity (and coherence) between Pythagoreanism and neo-Pythagoreanism, Platonism and neo-Platonism, Gnosticism, Heterodox Christianity, Orthodox Christianity, and the emerging schools of Hindu Vedanta. The similarities are not simply parallels between compatible traditions. Rather, there are direct historical links between each tradition that lead me to believe that it is educationally helpful to group these Idealisms into a single branch that considers numbers and logic to be more real than food and water. For example, the first neo-Platonists were either Indian "gymnosophists" themselves, or they were the direct students of Indian gurus. It seems to me that Vedanta is directly responsible for the resurgence of Platonism as a competitor against Christianity and Mithraism in the 2nd-4th-centuries.

  • My 2024 Resolution: Get A More Accurate Picture of Epicurean Pleasure To The World Rather Than "Tranquility" or "Live Unkown"(Comment on Irish Times Article)

    • Eikadistes
    • January 1, 2024 at 12:28 PM
    Quote from BrainToBeing

    What happens if you interpret "Live Unnoticed" within the framework of life experience of Epicurus? Is it to live like the wild flower of the meadow that strives to grow gracefully, a source of pollen for a visiting bee? Is it to live like a tree of the forest that gathers sun, gives shade to its neighbors, and nurtures a place for growth? Is it to live like the quiet craftsman who builds a home for a family? We can imagine many ways where being unnoticed was quiet strength. Could he have meant that?

    One story about Epicurus that contextualizes his warnings against participating in government is tempered by his treatment of Mithres. After the move to Lampsacus, Epicurus befriended (correct me if any of these details are inaccurate, this is a ball-park reflection and I might be missing up some of my facts, but...) a man named Mithres, who served on a royal court in modern-day Turkey. Fast-foward to Epicurus' Garden in Athens. Mithres becomes relegated to a political refugee. Notes are exchanged, and Mithres is set to flee to Athens and seek asylum in the Garden. However, as soon as he arrived, he was arrested as a fugitive. Epicurus discovers this, and immediately sends Metrodorus to the jail to post his bail. Mithres briefly lives in the the garden, until he could preserve an independent life for himself without fear of being re-arrested as a fugitive of a State.

    I think that recommendation to lathē biosas is occasionally misinterpreted as being a complete withdrawal from all forms of human society so completely that they are unwilling to take a stand when an existential threat arises due to politics. Contrary to that, Epicurus invited slaves to learn in his Garden, he went out of his way to personally pay for the freedom of political refugees, and he offered amnesty to international fugitives. When moving to Lampsacus, he immediately tried to befriend members of government to ease scrutiny on his tradition, and it worked. I think lathē biosas might be better seen to us in the modern era as something like ... "keep your head low and your mouth shut", which follows Epicurus' proposition that the Sage may occasionally break the law, but only if doing so improves their circumstances and they cannot be convicted.

    To wrap this back around to the main topic, one-way-or-the-other, lathē biosas is a good, and, in particular, an instrumental good, but not, itself, the goal, which is resolutely pleasure.

  • Epicureanism as the spiritual essence or 'religion' of an entire community

    • Eikadistes
    • January 1, 2024 at 11:10 AM
    Quote from Peter Konstans

    Would you consider authoring an essay or maybe a literary letter for inclusion in future editions?

    I added a 3,000-word foreword at the beginning (it's part of the free preview on Amazon and I also included the preview on Academia.edu), but I would definitely like to expand.

  • Epicureanism as the spiritual essence or 'religion' of an entire community

    • Eikadistes
    • December 31, 2023 at 6:13 PM
    Quote from Peter Konstans

    What would a 'holy book' of Epicureanism look like and what would it contain other than the letters of Epicurus and the poem of Lucretius?

    I believe it would look something like this:

    https://www.amazon.com/Hedonicon-Holy…s/dp/B0CNTN6KH6 ;)

    I aim to include Philodemus' prose and Diogenes of Oinoanda's etching in future editions.

  • THE HEDONICON (or The Holy Book of Epicurus)

    • Eikadistes
    • December 26, 2023 at 2:30 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    I now have my printed copy of Nate's new book and I want to second the praise in the posts above. The images included with the book (Nate's wife art plus the timeline and map) are a great bonus. It's well organized and has a very good introductory essay. This is quality work and it's great to see Nate take the initiative to do this!

    Thank you for the praise! I appreciate all of your support. There are certainly places I would like further develop, but I am pleased with the First Edition and I hope others find it to be a useful reference book.

    Thanks also, Bryan for the Amazon review. They always help!

  • The Facial Expression of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • December 18, 2023 at 6:22 PM
    Quote from Pacatus

    Eikadistes

    I also really like Genevra's portrait of "Epicurus in the Garden" on page 114 of your book (paperback version arrived today! :) :thumbup: ). Any chance you could add that one to the thread here? Many thanks!

  • Welcome UFO!

    • Eikadistes
    • December 15, 2023 at 6:04 PM

    Welcome @UFO and I dig the name. I invite you to some of our threads about the gods and extra-terrestrials.

  • The Facial Expression of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • December 15, 2023 at 6:02 PM
    Quote from Pacatus

    Eikadistes

    Just for curiosity, is the red fruit in "Epicurus Dines" pomegranate (perhaps) or tomatoes or ... ?

    Tomatoes would be anachronistic, but -- as a poet of sorts -- I completely affirm anachronisms as a valid and vital part of artistic license! :) What is important is what the images (and, in poetry, also rhythms and word-sounds) evoke.

    I recall Gen mentioning to me that she leaves it up to the observer. It is definitely not tomatoes, and I'm glad you brought that up, because I only learned as an adult that tomatoes were not introduced to Europe until 1521.

  • THE HEDONICON (or The Holy Book of Epicurus)

    • Eikadistes
    • December 15, 2023 at 4:18 PM
    Quote from Nate
    Quote from Cassius

    That looks great Nate! I don't see a button where a printed version can be purchased but I presume that you are working on that?

    I am, indeed! There was an additional issue with the printing after I received it, so I unpublished the paperback and am working with Amazon to fix the formatting issues. I am hoping to resolve it today, if not by this weekend.

    I am pleased to announce that the paperback version of The Hedonicon is now available:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNTN6KH6

  • The Facial Expression of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • December 15, 2023 at 4:16 PM

    Epicurus by YouriAlden (2013)


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  • The Facial Expression of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • December 15, 2023 at 4:13 PM

    Epicure in Charcoal by splatteredvenue (2007)


    Epicure Part 2 by splatteredvenue (2007)


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  • The Facial Expression of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • December 14, 2023 at 10:26 PM

    I have to defer to the recommendation of Diogenes of Oinoanda who wrote that "the statues of the gods should be made genial and smiling, so that we may smile back at them, rather than be afraid of them."

  • The Facial Expression of Epicurus

    • Eikadistes
    • December 14, 2023 at 7:25 PM
    Quote from Kalosyni

    I often wish that the imagery of Epicurus had more "warmth"

    We felt the same way. ;)

  • Fundamental Issues In Hedonism

    • Eikadistes
    • December 13, 2023 at 2:12 PM
    Quote from Don
    Quote from Pacatus

    NOTE: I had a philosopher friend, who did his dissertation on the Nicomachean Ethics, who insisted the best rendering of eudaimonia was "flourishing" -- but that strikes me as even more problematic than "happy."

    Fully agree. "Flourishing" seems ... wrong? Merriam-Webster defines "flourishing" as

    "marked by vigorous and healthy growth; very active and successful."

    Your "happy well-being" is better, for sure. I lean more in the direction of "satisfied well-being" or "contented well-being." To be even more literal, I might suggest "to be in good spirits," but that might be taking the linguistic pun too far.

    It was impressed upon me (by Peripatetics) in college that "flourishing" was the only acceptable definition of εὐδαιμονία. One of the professors of the department described Aristotle as "the smartest person who ever lived." The department head was particularly found of Alasdair MacIntyre and assigned us his writings.

    I tend to take the word as meaning "good-spirited-ness", in which case, "happiness" is a reasonable translation.

  • So You Want To Learn Ancient Greek Or Latin?

    • Eikadistes
    • December 10, 2023 at 3:38 PM
    Quote from Bryan
    Quote from Don

    Is the script of Tengwar actually printed in the books and legible?

    It sure is! The first half of an old book I self-published is a collection lyrical poetry from three albums I wrote:

    The Book of SH∆ZD∆R
    The Book of Shazdar is a mythopoetic manifesto of lyrical poetry, supplemented with an extended reflection of art, music, and philosophy. It is organized into…
    www.academia.edu

    Those lyrics are in the English language that uses a modified version of Tolkien's Tengwar script for English instead of the Roman characters (that, for example, limits our ability to express phonemes like "th", "sh", and "ch"). There's a whole rabbit hole down which to fall ... I'm a big fan, and Tengwar got me into linguistics in the first place. I'm a BIG fan.

  • So You Want To Learn Ancient Greek Or Latin?

    • Eikadistes
    • December 10, 2023 at 2:38 AM
    Quote from Bryan

    This is great. I see that for classical Attic he is recommending light aspirated stops, which is excellent. This chart shows clearly what I think is one of the more complicated parts of pronunciation.

    One thing about ancient Greek are the aspirations. I took Phi or "ph" for granted as /f/ like "philosophy" when it would have been pronounced more like the /pʰ/ in "pot" or "pond". The same is true of Theta or "th" which we sometimes pronounce like "thorn" and "thistle", but would have been pronounced more like the /tʰ/ in "top".

    Bryan I'm not sure if you're interested, but I published a little Tolkien project a while ago and this chart was one of the key things that came out of it. It helped me to understand phonology better with a visual map.

  • An Epicurean Christmas

    • Eikadistes
    • December 5, 2023 at 2:50 PM

    We're dressing up for the occasion.

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  • Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains

    • Eikadistes
    • November 28, 2023 at 4:05 PM
    Quote from Don
    Quote from Cassius

    If a Christian of any stripe is **convinced** in their bones that they'll be livin' with Jesus after they die (albeit erroneously, may I add), maybe we could describe them as being free from the anxiety of death.

    The placebo effect is a measurably powerful phenomena that can be exploited as an emotional tool. I often reflect on a study from Cornell University (2019) that compared a group of mentally healthy participants with a group of people suffering from depressive disorders. They all played a card game that was completely fixed, and then their responses to "How much control they personally reported" were measured. In general, the healthy, optimistic crowd assessed their victories as being the consequence of good decision making, and their failures to be the inevitable result of occasional misfortune. On the other hand, the depressed group, who were genuinely sick, saw right through the ruse: the game was fixed. They knew that they had absolutely no control over the outcome, and were therefore able to see through the conditions of the experiment. [https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190717230341.htm]

    Since we're not being controlled by extra-dimensional scientists, this isn't a great analogy (just something I think about from time to time). Ultimately, I think optimism is equal parts healthy, effective, and delusional. I think this is why Epicurus recommends a form of prayer, but only on the condition that the practitioner understands that god is not listening, and that wishes cannot be reliably fulfilled with choosing to further one's personal accomplishments.

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