Posts by michelepinto

Hallo, close tu Epicurus Bust there are Harold and Imma from Catalogna and me.
We are in Philosopher's room in Musei Capitolini in Rome.
We met there to see Epicurus.

That's also the why of my silence here in the last days, I was in Rome.

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Dear Italian friend Michelle, there would be the same causes in the phenomena, when History will be repeated like a bad-tasted joke !

Dear Elli,
Have you ever eared about the Fono's Lisippo? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorious_Youth)
Fano is a city in Italy about 25km from my home. They discovered this ancient statue of an athlete made by Lisippo.
The statue arrived, we do not know exactly how, at Getty Museum.
Now there is a legal battle, and the city of Fano is going to win it.

It is what I mean when I say that there is a better sensibility about that. And, unfortunately, not everything is going well.

It was time ago. Now the world has a better sensibility to this.
I hope what was stolen can came go back to Hellas.

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Michele since you are an Italian and presumably very in tune with Lucretius

Lol!

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How do you interpret the references to Venus in the opening of Book 1 of his poem?

I don't have enough studies for my opinion to be authoritative. I make a simple hypothesis:

Venus is the goddess of love. Lucretius wanted to open his book with an ode to Love.

It is quite common that a deity is mentioned to understand what it represents.

For example: I love Bacchus = I am a drunkard.

Epicurus believed that the gods did not interfere with the lives of men.

For Epicurus the gods are perfectly happy beings. Epicurus invited his disciples to venerate the gods to imitate their happiness.

I believe that every religion carries with it a part of "wisdom" and that Epicurus does not want to reject religion in its entirety, preferring to save the little good that is in it.

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Sad to see so many afraid of losing a temple.

It is not a simple temple. It is a artistic creation and a symbol. I'm sad about the storical an artistic loss.

With this post I started translating all the new Italian posts on http://www.epicuro.org into English.

But the question is: why is the e of epicurus tiny and the S of Stoa is capitalized?

The epiStoa association takes its name from the two major Hellenistic philosophical schools: that of Epicurus and the Stoa.

epiStoa, whose symbol is a Roman aqueduct, European Values and Languages - From Antiquity To Today.

epiStoa is a European initiative to foster and promote European Values - human rights, democracy and the rule of law - and the impact of the Ancient Languages on modern Europe.

For more information: http://epistoa.eu/

I can try to read it in English... does an ebook exist?

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I also think that one day when I am able to prevail on you to read the Norman DeWitt book that you will find that you agree with his take on it too.

I hope somebody will translate it in Italian!

Thanks for the important clarifications.

The Italian world "dogma" means: "Principle that is accepted as true or just, without critical examination or discussion: proclaim a dogma: in Catholic theology, truth revealed by God or defined by the Church as such, imposed on believers as an article of faith."
In Englis the meaning is: "A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true."

This kind of "dogma" is the only one I do not wont.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

Great!

In the scientific world everything is questioned, always.

Newton's laws on universal gravitation have been superseded by Einstein's Theory of Relativity, which in turn can be overcome by even broader laws.

In the same way I do not struggle to define "Truth" what Epicurus taught us and that we also experience every day. But I do not exclude that we can arrive at greater truths.

A good example could be the scientific studies done today on happiness with hundreds or thousands of volunteers and study methods not available at the time of Epicurus.

(The studies I know all confirm what Epicurus said).

On "Few days in Athen" you told me right away that I would like it. I bought the ebook, but I haven't read it yet.

When I say "I'll never find myself saying, I'm right, you're wrong" I mean before the discussion. Otherwise the debate would be useless, a dialogue between the deaf. Later, of course, I will draw my own conclusions.

With these words I hope not to offend anyone. Consider it my friendly reflection.

One of the things that I appreciate most in Epicurus's philosophy is moderation and one of the master's phrases that I like best is the Vatican sayng 74: "In a scholarly dispute, he who loses gains more because he has learned something".

This is why I don't believe I have any truth in my hand.

As Epicurus, I believe that no divine being interferes in the life of men. But precisely "I believe". As it is not possible to prove the existence of God it is not even possible to prove its non-existence. At most we can argue about the possibilities of one thesis or another.

I believe that the teachings of Epicurus are a privileged way to happiness. The best I know. But I do not pretend that this is the case for everyone.

I have a friend who feels such a comfort in believing that there is a God to take care of him who, if denied, could hardly be happy.

I know people who follow a passion in their lives, a passion that drives them throughout their lives and makes sense of them.

I don't think this can make them happy, but why should I decide for them?

I believe that epicureanism is splendid, to find epicurean friends like you is something that makes me very happy. I am committed to spreading his teaching as best I can.

But I respect the ideas of others. I'll never find myself saying, I'm right, you're wrong. This is what religions say.
Epicurus is not a prophet, but a philosopher, his wisdom is human and perfectible.

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Michele you have a copy of Bernard Frischer's Scuplted Word and his discussions and photos of the seated Epicurus?

Sorry, no.

I don't think Epicurus would call his old age "Decline". He also considered happy the day of his death.

But you are right, we can depict Epicurus in the moment we prefer.

I always immaginated Epicurus on a wheel chair. It is strage for me to see a sculture standing.

This bust have made by an artist called "Monica Rafaeli". She is a friend of mine. She made it for me as a copy of the one of the "Musei Capitolini" in Rome. Now she is quite famous, so if some one wants a copy it will be quit expensive.

There is a study that shows that it is difficult to be happy when one is very poor, and that happiness grows with wealth. But only up to a certain threshold. When you are too rich, the curve of the simplicity begins to fall.

This shows how Epicurus was right.

Sorry I'm a bit of a run and I can't find a link to what I mentioned now.

However, I believe that it is very important and interesting to discuss what is natural and necessary for us.