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Cassius Replied to the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
9 minutes ago

Those are good points.

I do see two issues. There is the "foreign word" issue which adds to the complexity, but I am not sure that is really my number one concern. If the foreign word has a clear equivalent that might or might not resolve all the…

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Eoghan Gardiner Replied to the thread Perspectives On "Proving" That Pleasure is "The Good".
An hour ago

(Quote from Kalosyni)

Great point. What happens is after a good length of time choosing pleasures which lead to more pains, the person grows disillusioned. They are then introduced to Stoicism\Islam\Christianity\newage\Buddhism and because of the many…

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Don Replied to the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
An hour ago

Cassius : I may be misinterpreting where you're going, and I think I agree with the direction I think you're headed. So, with those caveats, I'll add the following:
I agree it does no one any good to use jargon and technical terms (in this case, Ancient…

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Kalosyni Replied to the thread Perspectives On "Proving" That Pleasure is "The Good".
2 hours ago

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Perhaps this is because when first impulses are followed instead of the wise consideration of choices and avoidances, an individual may end up with a unpleasant result.

Another question: does desire cause one to be "blinded" or…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
3 hours ago

(Quote from Joshua)

Also on the same point here's something else I'd like to come back to in the future. I don't know to what extent Bentham agreed with Hume on this issue, and of course my next question would be how (if at all) Frances Wright dealt with…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
4 hours ago

Yes it seems I am always struggling with potential implications of "the perfect' being the enemy of "the good." If a particular phrasing seems to create the implication that only "the perfect" is good enough, then I think that such a construction almost…

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Don Replied to the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
4 hours ago

(Quote from Cassius)

If a Christian of any stripe is **convinced** in their bones that they'll be livin' with Jesus after they die (albeit erroneously, may I add), maybe we could describe them as being free from the anxiety of death.
Maybe I should extend…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Perspectives On "Proving" That Pleasure is "The Good".
4 hours ago

(Quote from Eoghan Gardiner)

Not so small -- that perspective dominates the world and it's easy to give in to it and retreat into nihilism in the face of it. In fact I'd say it would be impossible not to do so if you couldn't identify at least some…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
5 hours ago

(Quote from Don)

Can someone who fears the gods not also offset pleasure against physical pain?

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Basically I'd repeat the same question. Can't Catholics (to take one example) not find joy in memories of past times and friends? (I suspect…

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Don Replied to the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
5 hours ago

Katastematic and "kinetic" pleasures are complementary. From my perspective, Epicurus was able to "offset" his physical pain with the "kinetic" pleasure of memories precisely because he had cultivated his katastematic pleasure of a mind free from anxiety…

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Eoghan Gardiner Replied to the thread Perspectives On "Proving" That Pleasure is "The Good".
5 hours ago
all of these points have been mentioned but...
- Pleasure is something we don't need to reason to determine it's worth, the experience of pleasure shows that by it's very presence in us.
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- All choices we make ultimately move toward our pleasure. Whether
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Don Replied to the thread So You Want To Learn Ancient Greek Or Latin?.
5 hours ago

Another interesting online resource is Textkit:
https://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/
It's both a forum and a resource for learning Ancient/Koine Greek and Latin. There are some valuable discussions about books and other things but also in-depth…

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Cassius Posted the thread Tips On Offsetting Pleasures Against Pains.
6 hours ago

We've discussed this many times before, but it seems to me today that this is worth emphasizing, and maybe having a thread on "Tips on offsetting pleasures against pains."

On Epicurus' last day, when he was experiencing sharp bodily pain from his kidneys,…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Using New Technology To Produce More Effective Memes.
19 hours ago

Thanks for the further explanation Nate and I should not have painted with so broad a brush as to include your wife's art in this thread. You are absolutely right that AI / computers will never be able to replace true creativity, in music or in art, and…

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Cassius Replied to the thread The Description of Epicurean Philosophy On Wikipedia.
19 hours ago

Thanks for posting!

Just time for two comments for now:

- He put a lot of effort into that video. Too bad he didn't find a picture of Epicurus to use, and instead used that bald sketch that has no resemblance to Epicurus whatsoever

- I do think his…

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Kalosyni Posted the thread December 4, 2023 - First Monday Epicurean Philosophy Discussion.
20 hours ago

Next Monday is our First Monday Zoom on December 4th! -- Meet-and-greet and Epicurean philosophy discussion.

This is a great way for newer members to meet others who are studying the philosophy of Epicurus and bring up any questions. Meeting is open also…

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Joshua Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
20 hours ago

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Yes, but this to me is tantamount to living with rational rather than absolute oughts.

My answer is very similar to yours; if I started every morning waking up to Hume's Guillotine, the problem of determinism, the claims made of simulation or the…

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Nate Replied to the thread Using New Technology To Produce More Effective Memes.
20 hours ago

(Quote from Cassius)

Just to be clear, Gen (my wife) did not use any kind of an image generator or an AI-based tool on her neo-Classical adaptions that she is selling through her Etsy store. Each of those images took her days-to-weeks of editing using…

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Lowri834 Replied to the thread The Description of Epicurean Philosophy On Wikipedia.
21 hours ago

https://www.khanacademy.org/pa…urus-cure-for-unhappiness

I found this introduction to Epicurean Philosophy on Khan Academy and didn't find a reference to it on the forum. Not perfect, for instance his description of Epicurus seems a little ascetic but…

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Bryan Replied to the thread Demetrius Lacon - Main Biography.
21 hours ago

(Quote from Pacatus)

Yes, their "collapse" occurs when their math tries to support reality!

(As we know, we have infinite worlds but they cannot be in the same place at the same time.)

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Nate Posted the thread Nate's Personal Outline.
21 hours ago

I included my Personal Outline in the Foreword of the First Edition of The Hedonicon, but I wanted to share it here, as well:

ETHIKON (ethics) — HEDONISM (“HΔONHN EINAI TEΛOΣ” X.11) “Pleasure is the Goal...”
PHYSIKON (physics) — ATOMISM (“TO…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
22 hours ago

(Quote from Joshua)

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I think this is where I am personally happy to part ways with Hume, but before I travel down that road, the first question I always try to ask is "What did Epicurus think?" Not because I am automatically going to…

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Bryan Replied to the thread Using New Technology To Produce More Effective Memes.
23 hours ago

Not in a way that I have seen yet, but I am probably just missing something (this image is just an example, and we should probably delete it).

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Eoghan Gardiner Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
24 hours ago

"Is pious pious 'cause God loves pious? Socrates asked whose bias do y'all seek."

I have heard too many brain numbing attempts using the doctrine of divine simplicity to answer this issue.

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Bryan Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
24 hours ago

Great quote!
(Quote from Cicero On Ends Book 1 - Torquatus Addressing Cicero)

Our senses are honest witnesses, but honest witnesses are not always accurate and each one does not have the full story. We have to judge between their testimonies to find the…

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Joshua Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
24 hours ago

(Quote from Cassius)

"we have Epicurus saying that Nature has given us one faculty (feeling / pathe) by which to determine what to choose and what to avoid,"

But this is Epicurus' implicit ought, not a description of how things are.

What Hume is actually…

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Cassius Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
Yesterday, 1:58 pm

TauPhi that is a good question and a good example of the benefit of going through "On Ends" to bring out these issues in articulating central ideas.

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Cassius Replied to the thread Using New Technology To Produce More Effective Memes.
Yesterday, 1:57 pm

Bryan -- So you can't just say for example: "Take this sentence: "Death is Nothing To Us" and display it in the style of a golden plaque on a museum wall" ?

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Cassius Replied to the thread Episode 203 - The Epicurean Arguments In Cicero's On Ends - Book Two - Part 11 - Do The Senses Have Jurisdiction To Pronounce On The Supreme Good? (Not Yet Released).
Yesterday, 1:54 pm

Yes ---- The identification of the supreme good is not the same issue as knowing how to pursue and achieve it, and that is why Epicurus puts such a high premium on the practical value of reason and prudence. They don't identify the good for us, Nature…

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Bryan Replied to the thread Using New Technology To Produce More Effective Memes.
Yesterday, 12:51 pm

Here is the one I have played with the last few days: https://wepik.com/ai#rs=menu.

I have been going through DRN and having it create images from translations of Lucretius. You can add text, but it does not generate text well at all.

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