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I just found this very detailed paper:

Comparison of Six English translations of Lucretius “De rerum natura” – Digital Humanities Project Course

Thank you to all who attended last night's meeting.

Revisiting the meeting...I only created one "generic" slide which listed the chapter numbers and titles, then for each chapter I read some excerpts which captured some of the highlights of each chapter.

For me the group's discussion about social media stuck in my mind (as part of Chapter 12) - and we went around the circle and briefly talked about our own experiences with Facebook or other social media.

These four chapters covered a lot so the evening's discussion jumped around quite a bit.

ThinkingCat -- Welcome to the forum -- Your recent post in another thread will count toward your completion of registration (as explained in this thread above) -- and just for reference I'm posting the link to your question here.

And, if you happen to have anything to share to further introduce yourself such as how you became interested in Epicureanism, you are welcome to post it here in this thread, thanks.

Quote from Godfrey

It does sound like it would have a lot of overlap with the podcast and the forum.

I just read the description on that site which says:

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About the Event

We will read the great didactic epic De Rerum Natura (On the Nature of Things) in which the ancient Roman poet Lucretius explains the key ideas of Epicureanism, from the construction of the universe out of atoms and void to the evolution of human society and the best way of living so as to avoid pain and maximize pleasure. Along with

discussing the poem's provocative ideas, we will also consider their revolutionary impact on early modern science, philosophy, and art when a single manuscript of this long-lost poem was miraculously rediscovered in the fifteenth century. Participants will gain an appreciation for one of the most beautiful works of Latin literature; an understanding of the philosophy of Epicurus and its impact on the development of modern science and philosophy; and a chance to think through profound issues, like how we can know about the world, how we can live a flourishing life, and what happens to us when we die, by engaging with a provocative set of philosophical arguments in a group.

 

Here is when it runs:

Tuesdays, 1pm ET - Starting June 13th, for 5 weeks, on Zoom.

I am thinking I may attend!

We will keep an open group for the "Living for Pleasure" book review and discussion via Zoom, for all forum members - so you can still drop into to the next meeting even if you haven't yet attended. Just let us know if you are interested here in this thread.

This next Sunday at 8:30pm ET - May 14th we will be covering chapters 9, 10, 11, and 12, and I will be presenting a few of the highlights.

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one's eye should always be on the pleasant life lived.

And you could think of gratitude as a kind of awareness and recognition that you are living pleasantly and pleasurable - therefore gratitude is always a necessary ellement, as Nate pointed out in the very first post:

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In nearly every other extant document, "gratitude" (expressed using forms of kharis) is encouraged as an indispensable moral practice:

Although I wouldn't call it a "moral" practice, but rather a wise practice

Quote from Pacatus

* I do not see hedone/aponia/ataraxia as instrumental virtues aiming at eudaimonia – as if that were some other value-in-itself. I rather see a eudaimonic life as constitutive of the most pleasurable/pleasant life I can put together. Eudaimonia is not separable from hedone.

Some thoughts perculating in response. The sensations of hedone/aponia/ataraxia result due to choices, and our choices are limited by the options we can imagine, and those choices are limited by the options which are realistically available to us. My niece has five children that she home-schools, and I seriously doubt that tranquility and serenity will be available to her (except in very brief moments) till they grow up and move out of the house (three boys and two girls). And yet, since hedone is additive (not subtractive) then I say that hedone (both of mind and of body) could be a direct path to happiness for her. If she thinks she needs aponia and ataraxia to be happy then she will wait a long time.

Here are some of the slides that I presented in last night's Zoom book review of Emily Austin's "Living for Pleasure". (I present a few highlights of chapters 5, 6, and 7. And Cassius presented on chapter 8.)

I found this at a translation website, but the last two letters of the word look different than in the above ancient Greek (in post 1 above)

μακαρισμός ὁ, pronouncing happy, blessing, Pl. R. 591d, Arist. Rh. 1367b33, Andronic. Pass. p. 570 M., Plu. 2.471c ; giving praise or thanks, Epicur. Sent.Vat. 52, Phld. D. 3 Fr. 86a.

Source:

This was the original translation site and it gave me four options and I just chose the first site which I posted link above.

Ancient Greek Dictionary Online Translation LEXILOGOS

www.lexilogos.com

Don - can you help out with translation of this one (my eyes go cross-eyed when I look at Greek letters). This translation is from Peter Saint Andre. (Do we already have this someplace else?)

Should the last word be translated as "blessedness"?

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We have to start with an understanding of what the normal healthy living thing does with its time so that we can understand what is presumed to be the result when all pain is eliminated.

(source)

This is clear and simple and I'm thinking that one interpretation of "use one's other goods" is that these are the "goods" of friendship and self-sufficiency, etc.

It would be good to clearly define "happiness" and the path to it, as that would make things less ambiguous.

jdarraugh -- Thanks for letting us know, and looking forward to seeing you at the next meeting.

Creative Air Welcome to the forum! And thanks for telling us about your background!

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Discovering this philosophy has changed my life for the better

Yes! And it has for me too!

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I'm grateful for what all of you do here and the knowledge you impart to continue the Epicurean tradition. Thanks!

Thanks and you're welcome...and of course we do it for the pleasure it brings!

I want to thank all who showed up last night to our first book review meeting for Emily Austin's "Living for Pleasure". We had a total of seven attendees.

The group is still open, for any forum members who would like to join the group, just let us know here if you are interested...next meeting is Sunday, May 7th at 8:30 pm Eastern Time.

Welcome @Knoche !

Note: In order to minimize spam registrations, all new registrants must respond in this thread to this welcome message within 72 hours of its posting, or their account is subject to deletion. All that is required is a "Hello!" but of course we hope you will introduce yourself -- tell us a little about yourself and what prompted your interest in Epicureanism -- and/or post a question.

This forum is the place for students of Epicurus to coordinate their studies and work together to promote the philosophy of Epicurus. Please remember that all posting here is subject to our Community Standards / Rules of the Forum our Not Neo-Epicurean, But Epicurean and our Posting Policy statements and associated posts.

Please understand that the leaders of this forum are well aware that many fans of Epicurus may have sincerely-held views of what Epicurus taught that are incompatible with the purposes and standards of this forum. This forum is dedicated exclusively to the study and support of people who are committed to classical Epicurean views. As a result, this forum is not for people who seek to mix and match some Epicurean views with positions that are inherently inconsistent with the core teachings of Epicurus.

All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from other viewpoints, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit by our community of happy living through the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

One way you can be most assured of your time here being productive is to tell us a little about yourself and personal your background in reading Epicurean texts. It would also be helpful if you could tell us how you found this forum, and any particular areas of interest that you have which would help us make sure that your questions and thoughts are addressed.

In that regard we have found over the years that there are a number of key texts and references which most all serious students of Epicurus will want to read and evaluate for themselves. Those include the following.

1. "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt
2. The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.
3. "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"
4. "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky
5. The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."
6. Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section
7. Cicero's "On The Nature of the Gods" - Velleius Section
8. The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation
9. A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright
10. Lucian Core Texts on Epicurus: (1) Alexander the Oracle-Monger, (2) Hermotimus
11. Philodemus "On Methods of Inference" (De Lacy version, including his appendix on relationship of Epicurean canon to Aristotle and other Greeks)
12. "The Greeks on Pleasure" -Gosling & Taylor Sections on Epicurus, especially the section on katastematic and kinetic pleasure which explains why ultimately this distinction was not of great significance to Epicurus.

It is by no means essential or required that you have read these texts before participating in the forum, but your understanding of Epicurus will be much enhanced the more of these you have read. Feel free to join in on one or more of our conversation threads under various topics found throughout the forum, where you can to ask questions or to add in any of your insights as you study the Epicurean philosophy.

And time has also indicated to us that if you can find the time to read one book which will best explain classical Epicurean philosophy, as opposed to most modern "eclectic" interpretations of Epicurus, that book is Norman DeWitt's Epicurus And His Philosophy.

(If you have any questions regarding the usage of the forum or finding info, please post any questions in this thread).

Welcome to the forum!

epicurean = gourmand

Epicurean = one who studies and follows the advice and worldview of the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus

Welcome @Randseed !

Note: In order to minimize spam registrations, all new registrants must respond in this thread to this welcome message within 72 hours of its posting, or their account is subject to deletion. All that is required is a "Hello!" but of course we hope you will introduce yourself -- tell us a little about yourself and what prompted your interest in Epicureanism -- and/or post a question.

This forum is the place for students of Epicurus to coordinate their studies and work together to promote the philosophy of Epicurus. Please remember that all posting here is subject to our Community Standards / Rules of the Forum our Not Neo-Epicurean, But Epicurean and our Posting Policy statements and associated posts.

Please understand that the leaders of this forum are well aware that many fans of Epicurus may have sincerely-held views of what Epicurus taught that are incompatible with the purposes and standards of this forum. This forum is dedicated exclusively to the study and support of people who are committed to classical Epicurean views. As a result, this forum is not for people who seek to mix and match some Epicurean views with positions that are inherently inconsistent with the core teachings of Epicurus.

All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from other viewpoints, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit by our community of happy living through the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

One way you can be most assured of your time here being productive is to tell us a little about yourself and personal your background in reading Epicurean texts. It would also be helpful if you could tell us how you found this forum, and any particular areas of interest that you have which would help us make sure that your questions and thoughts are addressed.

In that regard we have found over the years that there are a number of key texts and references which most all serious students of Epicurus will want to read and evaluate for themselves. Those include the following.

1. "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt
2. The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.
3. "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"
4. "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky
5. The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."
6. Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section
7. Cicero's "On The Nature of the Gods" - Velleius Section
8. The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation
9. A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright
10. Lucian Core Texts on Epicurus: (1) Alexander the Oracle-Monger, (2) Hermotimus
11. Philodemus "On Methods of Inference" (De Lacy version, including his appendix on relationship of Epicurean canon to Aristotle and other Greeks)
12. "The Greeks on Pleasure" -Gosling & Taylor Sections on Epicurus, especially the section on katastematic and kinetic pleasure which explains why ultimately this distinction was not of great significance to Epicurus.

It is by no means essential or required that you have read these texts before participating in the forum, but your understanding of Epicurus will be much enhanced the more of these you have read. Feel free to join in on one or more of our conversation threads under various topics found throughout the forum, where you can to ask questions or to add in any of your insights as you study the Epicurean philosophy.

And time has also indicated to us that if you can find the time to read one book which will best explain classical Epicurean philosophy, as opposed to most modern "eclectic" interpretations of Epicurus, that book is Norman DeWitt's Epicurus And His Philosophy.

(If you have any questions regarding the usage of the forum or finding info, please post any questions in this thread).

Welcome to the forum!

Sonderling Welcome to the forum!

Just a heads up...we're starting a book review/study group on "Living for Pleasure: an EpicureanGuide to Life" - via Zoom(click here to find out more).

Also check out our interview of the author Emily Austin:

Part 1:

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Episode 156 - Lucretius Today Interviews Dr. Emily Austin - Part One

Welcome to episode 156, a special two-part Episode of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the only complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the Epicurean texts, and we discuss how Epicurean philosophy can apply to you today. If you too find the Epicurean worldview attractive, we invite you to join us in the study of Epicurus at EpicureanFriends.com, where…

Cassius

January 10, 2023 at 12:58 AM

Part 2:

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Episode 157 - Lucretius Today Interviews Dr. Emily Austin - Part Two

Welcome to episode 157, part two of a special two part Episode of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the only complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the Epicurean texts, and we discuss how Epicurean philosophy can apply to you today. If you too find the Epicurean worldview attractive, we invite you to join us in the study of Epicurus at…

Cassius

January 19, 2023 at 10:13 AM

Feel free to post any questions here

Lowri834 Welcome to the forum!

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I’m reading Emily Austin’s book

That's great to hear! You probably already noticed that we have a book review/study group (click here to find out more) starting up on April 30th, via Zoom. As we move through the book, we will be posting highlights and other discussion high-points (in this other thread).

Feel free to let us know if you have any questions about that, or Epicurean philosophy.