Posts by Kalosyni

Plantpierogi Wishing you a Happy Birthday!

Quote from Don

But you, although you are not master of tomorrow, are postponing your happiness. We waste away our lives in delaying, and each of us dies without having enjoyed leisure." {= Usener 204}

Instead of "without having enjoyed leisure" for the last line....perhaps: "without having enjoyed living".

Don ?

Today, both Cassius and I made a few more minor revisions on the Forum Board List:

Forum - Epicureanfriends.com

www.epicureanfriends.com

...and "Epicurean Lifestyle" is now filed under "Ethics" ...and I think it's looking pretty tight and tidy!

Quote from Julia

Gabor Maté does a wonderful job at summing up attachment and authenticity in developmental psychology:

Thanks for sharing the video, very interesting! It seems that when he uses the word "authenticity" he is refering to both internal experience and outer expression of feelings/emotions. Also, I want to mention that when he makes a quick comment that suppressing your authenticity leads to body illness such as cancer, the veracity of that sounds a little questionable.

Quote from Julia

He ends with asking:

“Who would you rather have in your life? Them or yourself?”

The Epicurean answer: “Myself!”

This sounds like an "either/or" phrasing which can bring up further problems (I see in your post 3 above you explained a bit further regarding that). His phrase makes it sound like one's "self" is in a very delicate and precarious position (a very vunerable understanding of the "self"). Yet as an adult if someone is causing mental or physical harm to me, I must take action to remove myself from the situation or relationship (which could include a parent or sibling).

A possible rephrasing of this phrase: "who would you rather have in your life" changed to "I will make wise decisions for maintaining both my present and long-term well-being". (perhaps lots of ways to say the same thing in a broader way). For anyone dealing with "people pleasing", that likely needs help from a professional therapist.

Also, this metaphor came to mind...that when the airplane cabin loses pressure you need to put on your own oxygen mask first before you help anyone else put on theirs. So it is a matter of placing first priority on taking care of yourself.

tariq Wishing you a Happy Birthday!

Quote from Cassius

At the moment I think we should enforce a limit of 15 categories in any single forum list, and if we get up to 15 we combine one or more of the others so that the number never gets higher than 15.

But it's possible that it would be better for the number to be 10 or less.

Don We need your help!!

I take the stand that setting a specific number like that will lead to problems with correctly filing things.

I notice that "Epicurean Places of Interest, History, and Culture" is now filed under "Epicurean Lifestyle and Practical Applications" ...so not very easy to find now.

Perhaps there is a fix for that?

Quote from Cassius

one of the two best starting points for someone who wants to get an overview of the entire philosophy,

I recommend reading the Letter to Menoeceus and the Principal Doctrines as a starting point.

DeWitt is an "intermediate-advanced" level, and is good for the "non-academic philosophy student" (i.e. those who enjoy studying all aspects philosophy as a hobby).

Hi Everyone, Coming up next Monday on June 3rd is our next "First Monday Epicurean Philosophy Hour" - Via Zoom, 8pm ET.

Agenda:

• Welcome
• Discuss lastest popular threads on the forum
• Short presentation to introduce the topic, followed by discussion

This month's topic: Basis and methods for making choices and avoidances -- What is our starting point? What is our goal? What if anything might interfere with the process? What might help us make the best choices and avoidances?

Open to all forum members! And we especially invite those who are new on the forum. This is a great way to meet, converse, and engage with others who are studying the philosophy of Epicurus.

We'll be using the same link as last month.

If you have not yet attended a Zoom, please let us know here if you are interested (or send a private message to Cassius or myself). We will send the link by private message the day before the meeting.

Looking forward to seeing you there!

The song: "We Are the Champions"? (but depends on the situation).

Week 2 - The Nature of Things and How We Can Have Knowledge of Them

The posts in this thread are work-in-progress for the self-paced course: "Introduction to the Philosophy of Epicurus."

Epicurean physics and canonics are at the foundation of Epicurean philosophy, and the source of this concepts are found within Lucretius' De Rerum Natura, and Epicurus' Letter to Herodotus & Letter to Pythocles.

Below you will find useful links for self-paced study.

-- Section 2.1 - Physics --

1. Article by Cassius Amicus - "Epicurean Physics"

2. Lucretius Today Podcast - Episode 259 - "Nothing Comes From Nothing"

3. Forum discussion - Physics - The Nature of the Universe

and Atoms and Void - Properties, Qualities, And Emergence

-- Section 2.2 - Canonics --

1. Article by Cassius Amicus - "Canonics – How Can I Be Confident In What I Think I Know To Be True?"

2. Lucretius Today Podcast -

3. Forum discussion - Canonics - The Tests of Truth: The Five Senses, Anticipations, and Feelings of Pleasure and Pain

-- Section 2.3 - Text Reading for Week 2 --

-- The Letter to Pythocles

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Additional links and material will be added soon

Week 1 - Epicurus, the Garden, and the Extant Texts

This week's focus will be on the historical context of Epicurus and the Garden, as well as an introduction to the extant texts.

This post will contain the continued development of a self-paced 7-week course - "Introduction to the Philosophy of Epicurus". To read the course overview and syllabus click here.

Here you will find links to posts, threads, and other materials on the EpicureanFriends forum which will guide you through self-pace study.

We welcome any specific questions regarding each week's specific topics, whether or not they have been covered in any other existing threads - just go ahead and please post. Thanks!

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Week 1: Epicurus, the Garden, and the Extant Texts

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-- Section 1.1 - Epicurus and the Garden --

1. A Short Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius

2. What Did Epicurus Look Like? - Busts and Depictions of Epicurus

3. Where was the school of Epicurus located? Article excerpts:

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While we will probably never know the exact location of Epicurus’s Garden in ancient Athens, we can take a number of educated guesses. We have two primary sources from which to make these guesses: ancient texts that hint at the location of the Garden and modern archaeological excavations. This paper will present the evidence for several possible - and even probable - locations for the properties where Epicurus lived and taught and where his school existed for several centuries after his death.

One of the primary goals of this exercise is to dispel the myth that Epicurus and his students fled society and founded their communities far from city centers, isolated from society. As will be demonstrated, Epicurus’s Garden was not inaccessible to passers-by or curious visitors.

Seneca himself states that the motto displayed at the entrance to the original Garden invited
people to enter:

"Hospes hic bene manebis, hic summum bonum voluptas est."

O Guest, here you will do well to tarry; here our highest good is pleasure. (Seneca, Epistulae morales ad Lucilium, Letter XXI)

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Situating the Garden along one of the busiest and
most important thoroughfares in Athens will hopefully dispel rumors of the Epicureans being hidden away like hermits. The Garden was easily accessible, making it easily visited for a lecture by Epicurus by those in all ranks of Athenian society.

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...Epicurus’s Garden was described as being along the road that led from the Dipylon Gate in the city walls of Athens directly to the open-air gymnasium known as the Academy where a certain philosopher by the name of Plato established his school. It’s no more than a pleasant stroll from the Gate to the Academy, and the Garden would have been a welcoming stop along the way. Most scholars do not claim that Plato placed his school in some remote location, and the Garden was even closer to the city than the Academy. The Garden
was only a short walk from the city, and Epicurus also encouraged his students to take part in the festivals held regularly in Athenian life.

You will find the full article here: "Where Was the Garden of Epicurus? The Evidence from the Ancient Sources and Archaeology" (article by forum member Don).

4. Listen to Lucretius Today podcast presentations containing in-depth historical background on Epicurus - Episode 149 --- Episode 150 --- Episode 151 - based on material from Norman DeWitt's book "Epicurus and His Philosophy."

5. Epicurean Philosophers Timeline Listing by forum member Eikadistes.

-- Section 1.2 - An Overview of Epicurean Texts --

We believe that the best way to arrive at a correct understanding of Epicurean philosophy is for each person to study the core texts for themselves, rather than relying on short summaries (or potentially incorrect opinions often found elsewhere on the internet). When taking into account the full body of extant texts we can correctly see the system of thought and worldview that Epicurus created.

1. Familiarize yourself with: the list of core texts. 

2. Recommended reading for this week: The Letter to Menoeceus.

-- Section 1.3 - A General Overview of the Philosophy of Epicurus --

1. Forum members reply to: How would you explain to someone new "What is Epicurean Philosophy is All About?"

2. Outlines: Epicurean Philosophy expandable outline (and navigation)

Lucretius talks about lightening in section 6.3.

I found this interesting explanation of our modern understanding of lightening and included in the the following is also unusual upper atmosphere phenomenon seen by aircraft pilots:

Lightning Types

Descriptions of various types of lightning, from the NOAA National Severe Storms Laboratory.

www.nssl.noaa.gov

Something that was said recently in a Zoom meeting has me thinking again about "risk-taking", as well as this post here in another thread.

There are activities that come with greater risks, for example riding a motorcycle - here are some statistics:

"The chances of a fatality in a motorcycle accident are approximately 30 times higher than in a car. Motorcycle accidents have a staggering 80% injury or death rate, while car accidents remain around 20%."

"According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, approximately 236 motorcycle crashes result in injuries every day in the United States. In general, the odds of getting into a motorcycle accident are 1 in 100."

Pondering the Hedonic Calculus or prioritizing "smart choices" would lead one to choose less risky activities. As far as preventing an early death, it is really all about using common sense. And if you completely understand that you only have one life to live, then you will be already be increasing the number of prudent pleasures that you are enjoying, so that you will not need to take up any new risky physical activities, because your life will be full of good stuff and fun stuff.

Quote from Eoghan Gardiner

We certainly shouldn't take risks that are likely going to be a failure

If the failure is losing a lot of money, then that wouldn't be a good idea.

But this does have me wondering...if the failure is in the mental realm of the mind, such that it doesn't affect the body, but only the mind could be affected by the thought "I tried but I failed" then seems like the risk of failure shouldn't be feared, and because you know that you can then just move on to something else.

Quote from Eoghan Gardiner

Let's say it was entering a relationship well I am guessing we have all known the absolute joy of intimacy, sex but the heart break of the breakup is very painful.

Here is something very good for dealing with fear of heartbreak:

Overcoming the Fear of Heartbreak — Marie Thouin, PhD

✨ More than a few of my clients say that they are looking for a magical connection. But saying YES to a magical love life implies taking a big risk:…

www.loveinsight-dating.com

This is a fun read:

10 Things: Going Interstellar - NASA Science

Humanity’s great leap into interstellar space – the space between the stars – has begun. Here are 10 things we’ve learned about going interstellar.

science.nasa.gov

Here is info for Youtube:

Add subtitles & captions - YouTube Help

Quote from Little Rocker

I suppose what puzzles me about the idea that we should aim to be like the gods is that it might seem perfectly sufficient to aim to be like the *sage.* If, for example, the sage expresses gratitude, but the gods do not (KD 1), then shouldn't I want to be like the sage because I am human?

Two possibilities:

-- The writings explaining this have been lost.

-- Epicurus may have allowed multiple ways to "consider the gods" as long as you foremost believed that they do not intervene or interact with humans.

Quote from Cassius

At least that's the way I would interpret the "Captain Kirk perspective" on Epicurean philosophy - do everything possible to achieve more pleasure than pain, and push the envelope as far as you can on what is possible, because you're not going to get a second chance.

This may be slightly off-topic... but the problem with "Captain Kirk" is that he is a fictional character, and the on-going story gives him a kind of "immortality" - if he dies then the story ends - so he can't die for the sake of entertainment. In real life, the people who take on certain actions with great risks do end up dying due to events taking a bad turn. Also, I see him as a being like a "modern stoic".

Just yesterday I was reading over the Ethics section of the Wall of Diogenes of Oinoanda, at this website:

The inscripion

It is so fascinating how the maxiums of Epicurus are there, and it must have been magnificient in its original form. The phrasing is slightly different on some so it helps with a fuller cognition.

Very interesting to see Martin Ferguson Smith and the wall in this video released in 2015 (same video was recently posted in other thread by TauPhi):