Epicurus vs. the Stoics (Zeno, Chrysippus, Cleanthes, Epictetus, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius)

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    2. Comparison Chart - Epicurean Philosophy v Stoicism 1

      • Cassius
      • January 30, 2016 at 7:07 PM
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    2. Expanding the Stoicism Comparison Chart to Include Other Philosophers

      • Cassius
      • February 18, 2016 at 4:52 PM
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    2. Comparing the Stoics With The Epicureans

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      • March 11, 2017 at 3:39 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy - 8 - Objection to the Epicurean Doctrine That Virtue Is only of Value as An Instrumentality to achieve Pleasure

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      • March 11, 2017 at 3:55 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy - 1 - Do Not People Agree That Virtue More Admirable Than Pleasure?

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      • March 11, 2017 at 3:57 PM
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    2. Introduction To Eight Part Series - Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:04 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy - 6 - What About Pleasures We Consider Bad Or Evil?

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:07 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy - 2 - Why Would An Epicurean Die For A Friend?

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:08 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy - 7 - Are Not Epicureans Only Fair-Weather Friends?

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:10 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges to Epicurean Philosophy - 3 - Epicureans Are Not Good People Because They Would Not Warn Enemies Against Hidden Hazards

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:11 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges To Epicurean Philosophy - 5 - Would An Epicurean Accept The "Brain In A Vat Producing Perfect Pleasure" Hypothetical?

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:13 PM
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    2. Stoic Challenges to Epicurean Philosophy - 4 - Wouldn't It Be Better to Live in A World of Stoics Or Platonists Rather than a World of Epicureans?

      • Cassius
      • March 11, 2017 at 4:15 PM
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    2. An Opening Conversation With A Committed Modern Stoic - Prelude to "Eight Stoic Challenges to Epicurean Philosophy" - Part 1

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:25 PM
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    2. An Opening Conversation With A Committed Modern Stoic - Prelude to "Eight Stoic Challenges to Epicurean Philosophy" - Part 2

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      • March 11, 2017 at 4:26 PM
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    2. What About "Cherophobia" - Aversion to Happiness?

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      • March 11, 2017 at 6:07 PM
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    2. A Challenge To The Stoics - Show Us We Are Wrong In How Epicureans View Stoicism

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      • March 11, 2017 at 6:23 PM
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    2. Epicurean v Stoic - A Comparison Chart With Citations

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      • November 23, 2017 at 5:12 PM
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    2. A Brief Good Word About "Traditional Stoicism"

      • Cassius
      • April 27, 2018 at 10:48 AM
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    2. Comparison Chart - Epicurean vs Stoic Views of the Goal of Life

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      • December 8, 2018 at 9:43 PM
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    2. Polemic Against the Stoic Theology 2

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      • March 25, 2019 at 1:01 PM
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    2. Silicon Valley, Big Tech, And Stoicism

      • Cassius
      • March 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM
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    2. "Stand Up Don't Be A Stoic" Article

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      • June 19, 2019 at 10:26 AM
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    2. Mother Jones' critical essay on Stoicism as a philosophy of the ruling class 1

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      • January 3, 2020 at 1:52 PM
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    2. Response to Donald Robertson Question: "Was Thomas Jefferson More Stoic Or Epicurean?" (Answer: Epicurean!) 21

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    2. Listing And Evaluating Stoic "Techniques" 2

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      • April 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM
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    2. Review of the "What is Epicureanism and Is It Compatible with Stoicism?" video by Vox Stoica 12

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      • August 7, 2021 at 10:04 AM
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    2. Who said that one of the main points of Epicureanism was anti-platonism was right indeed... 4

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    2. A Friend On Facebook Sent Me This And I Gladly Repost In Reminder of the Differences Between Epicurus and Epictetus

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      • October 30, 2022 at 7:19 PM
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    2. Response to Daily Stoic Comparison of Epicurus vs the Stoics 6

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    2. Jean Jacques Rousseau, from Emile

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    2. Comparing Epicurus With Stoicism via Stoacon 2023 (Cleanthes' Hymn To Zeus et al.) 6

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    2. ⟐ as the symbol of the philosophy of Epicurus 47

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    2. Is All Desire Painful? How Would Epicurus Answer? 24

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