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I was looking at line 131 of this translation and noticed that it included "the enjoyment of sleep" as a type of pleasure not to be pursued. Don what is your take on this? I looked at your translation and didn't see anything referring to sleep. Here is the text from Peter Saint-Andre: "So when we say that pleasure is the goal, we do not mean the pleasures of decadent people or the enjoyment of sleep, as is believed by those who are ignorant or who don't understand us or who are ill-disposed to u…

(Quote from TauPhi) This brings up a further idea...and just wanting to mention, that sensation and sensual indulgence naturally has a limit when one is paying attention to the underlying feeling of pleasure or pain. So when we are paying attention then we naturally stop doing things which are painful. It is only things like fame and fortune (and other "groundless" desires) that do not have limits (maybe because they exist in an abstract sense beyond pleasure and pain). (There is nothing "wrong"…

(Quote from Kalosyni) So when we say that pleasure is the goal, we do not mean over-indulgence or indolence, as is believed by those who are ignorant, who don't understand correctly, or who oppose our school.

(Quote from stpeter) stpeter thank you for coming on to the forum to help us out. You can see we have had quite a bit of discussion going on here over the past week, stemming from this particular passage. I greatly appreciate your translations of Epicurean texts and how easy they are to access on the internet. I use your translations from your website all the time in my study and referencing. And when I first started studying I actually printed them out for reading off-line as well. So I have be…