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On p. 240, DeWitt quotes "What, in a word, is to be said of a philosophy that begins by regarding pleasure as the only positive good and ends by emptying pleasure of all positive content?" This is from Paul Elmer More's Hellenistic Philosophies (Princeton University Press, 1923). You can read the full context of More's quote at the Internet Archive (click this link).

Now for something completely different: I believe I mentioned Fat Men's Clubs in this episode's recording: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_men%27s_club?wprov=sfla1

(Quote from Cassius) I've given that some extra thought. Joshua also helped me understand this during the recording. I'll admit it's still a little obscure. Here's my summary so far: - It is in response to the idea that the "The wise one will have a sense of fulfillment (eudaimonia) even on the rack." - The "mount" is not "attach" but rather "climb a set of steps" as in to mount a horse. - One mounts the steps to the scaffold to be hung. - The torture wheel is not up a set of stairs so you don't…

And as Lisa Feldman Barrett has said, there is never a moment when you're not feeling some kind of affect. In other words, you're never not feeling a feeling... Unless you're dead. There literally is no neutral state.

As an aside: Having been on the recording side of this podcast episode, I want to give public ΚΥΔΟΣ (kudos) to Cassius for a masterful editing job on this one! Well done!

(Quote from Cassius) You keep using the word "logic" and I think we have to narrow down our terms. As I understand it, Epicurus's opposition was to Socratic-style dialectic, διαλεκτικός, defined by LSJ as "dialectic, discussion by question and answer, invented by Zeno of Elea, Arist.Fr.65; philosophical method." He didn't want to walk around, endlessly debating what things meant. He wanted to point to nature and declare, "There! Right there! **That** is what we mean (or should mean) when we say …

The Loeb translation has a footnote referencing a Greek phrase: στρεβλοῦσθαι ἐπὶ τροχοῦ to stretch on the wheel or rack, to rack, torture

https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/…ection=24&highlight=rotam in eo etiam putatur dicere in rotam— id est genus quoddam tormenti apud Graecos6—beatam vitam non escendere.7 non usquam8 id quidem dicit omnino, sed quae dicit, idem valent. 6 id est ... Graecos del. Er. vix recte. τροχὸς ante hunc locum a Romanis non commemoratur. (in R his verbis linea subducta est, sed s. XVII/XVIII demum sec. Stroux) ge- nus R https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/…=5:section=24&i=1#lexicon wheel of torture, Anacr.21.9; “ἐπὶ …