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Thanks for the link and yes that part is great! He's reinforcing in my mind how useful a resource Cicero is in both On the Nature of the Gods and On Ends too. I am really looking forward to going through both in detail. I think going through On Ends is going to clarify in our minds a lot of the things we have been discussing as to what a lot of these debates were about. Just like that podcast is saying Cicero, allows us to get into the minds of the 2000 year old debaters and in doing so I think …