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Thanks for the post Warjuning. I didn't have time to read the full thing yet but I see this from the conclusion. (Quote) Seems like lost of people (including some shaky Epicureans) think that the anti-Epicureans have point in arguing that if you follow Epicurus you can't truly have friendship, but this has always been a very poor argument and it looks like the article hits the right points. Probably good here to include the way Torquatus dealt with this: [65] XX. One topic remains, which is of p…

Wow great post! This is such a an important point, and you do a great job of linking it to the specifics of friendship, like it should be linked to everything else: (Quote from warjuning) Epicurus does not say that just because something is the abstract product of experience and reflection over time that it is not "real" and that we should not consider it capable of generating pleasure and pain that are also very real to us. I see this as a subset of the phrase I am pilfering from David Sedley t…

(Quote from warjuning) And thank you very much for doing so!