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(Quote from Cassius) The sage will found a school, but not in a way that attracts a crowd around themselves or plays to the mob. ...and will declare their beliefs and not remain in doubt about them. ...and will be the same person whether awake or asleep. https://sites.google.com/view/epicureansage/home?authuser=0

(Quote from Cassius) Here it is in plain text for you to copy: αληθής Also http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/h…99.04.0057:entry=a)lhqh/s

My take, from an ancient Epicurean perspective, would be that the senses receive the films of the images onto the sense organs as a die casts a piece of metal. The error arises when the mind interprets (almost immediately or simultaneously) the impression made by the die.

I haven't had a chance to read the paper/chapter yet (on the to-do list!), but it's one interpretation of the "true" is that sense impressions originate with "real" truly existing objects and so we can rely on our senses that there IS indeed a real, external world that exists independently of us? Were there schools in ancient Greece that taught we couldn't be sure if this? Literally, blue skying it here.

Reading through the Routledge chapter and it strikes me that when they mention enargeias, this appears to be a related word to the one that Epicurus used to describe our perception of the gods in the letter to Menoikeus: Gods exist, and the knowledge of them is manifest to the mind's eye (ἐναργὴς enargēs). http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/h…3%3Aentry%3De%29nargh%2Fs http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/h…%3Aentry%3De%29na%2Frgeia

(Quote from Don) I don't know if this is a repeat of info, but I just discovered today that this could be a response (or a jab) at Theophrastus, head of Aristotle's school, who regularly spoke to thousands of pupils: (Quote from Diogenes Laertius 5.2.37)

(Quote from Nikolsky) I still think Epicurus (and Metrodorus and Philodemus) did use those categories; however, I think much ado has been made of them by later commentators. But that's a conversation for another thread

(Quote from Don) Like this one ... Do Pigs Value Katastematic Pleasure? ( Summer 2022 K / K Discussion)