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Some Ideas from my side ( I often change between the stoic / epicurean perspective) In Epicurean Philosphy virtue and pleasure are bound together. Is the opposite falsifiable ? Or is virtue alone distinct from pleasure a better goal for life ? That could be if a Stoic can proof me this thesis: "Is there virtue or a virtuous act which brings in the short and long run no pleasure and no reduction of any pain ?" Another question: Is there anywhere a table/summary for defense of pleasure as a goal o…