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(Quote from Joshua) The Philodemus one looks interesting. I have to ask: Which Sedley book did you get? Look forward to seeing some reviews if you get the chance. Happy reading!

(Quote from Joshua) The Greek of the inscription is available at https://papyri.info/dclp/865216 I'm going to attempt to find a few of the words that Joshua highlighted and see where we get... The first quote is from Fragment 3: ὅπερ ἐστὶν ἀταραξία, καὶ ἑνὶ καὶ πᾶσι τὸ αὐτό ἐστιν. Our old friend ataraxia is here: translated here as "freedom from disturbance" "for both one and all it is the same" (kai eni kai pasi...) I think "his mission" is being conveyed by τὸ κατεσπουδ̣ασμένον ἡμῶν "our earne…

(Quote from Joshua) I find that book fascinating. Especially, now again that I'm working through On Nature in Les Epicuriens. The connections between Epicurus's work and Lucretius's is very interesting. I find this doubly so (and I have source amnesia on this) that I've read Cicero was possibly using Philodemus for his Torquatus and other Epicurean material; while Lucretius had been using older texts - maybe even exclusively Epicurus's On Nature. Philodemus (and the more contemporary Epicureans)…

(Quote from Scott) That's certainly my take. You bring up a good point, Scott . We technically dealing with 3 different things that sometimes get conflated: compassionsympathyempathyCommon language sometimes sees those as synonyms, but you're right to focus on the distinctions. I found it interesting that the LSJ specifically reference the philosophy of Epicurus in its definition of sympatheia: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/h….04.0057:entry=sumpa/qeia "in the Philosophy of Epicurus, corresponding…

(Quote from Joshua) That's what I thought but "Usener 11" doesn't seem to line up with anything. The only thing I've found do far is this Vatican Saying : LXVI. Let us show our feeling for our lost friends not by lamentation but by meditation. *LXVI. Συμπαθωμεν τοις φίλοις ου θρηνουντες αλλά φροντιζοντες. [Sympathōmen tois philois ou thrēnountes alla phrontizontes] Bailey commentary: "LXVI. Usener is probably right in holding that this fragment cannot refer to sympathy with living friends (θρηνο…

For background on Pandora, I can't recommend more highly Natalie Haynes entertaining episode: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000w9tj She also literally wrote the book on Pandora: https://www.theguardian.com/bo…s-review-ancient-misogyny

Pity per JRR Tolkien not Nietzsche: Pity + Mercy = Compassion? or something else? I have to say I like the "Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." I don't know whether it's Epicurean or not, but that's some good wordsmithing imho on the part of JRRT.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/pity#etymonline_v_16405

Is empathy what we're talking about, too? youtu.be/Lv79mYHu2C4

(Quote from Cassius) For those not up on their Star Trek original episodes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Empath?wprov=sfla1