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I find this thread discussion to be very enjoyable, and important for a correct understanding of Epicureanism. Without thoroughly understanding these issues it will be difficult to begin to create local Epicurean groups. Also, for reasons that come up in Smoothiekiwi post... (Quote from smoothiekiwi) Epicureanism exists with it's unique principles and paradigms in the midst of all previous philosophical constructs, and part of the work is sifting through it all to become very clear about what Ep…

(Quote from Don) I don't think that there is one summum bonum for everyone. For some people God is the summum bonum within Christianity and religions (except Buddhism). (Quote from Godfrey) (Quote from Cassius) I don't think that trying to prove one type of a "greatest good" as being the best will ever be possible, because it is like saying mashed potatoes are better than baked potatoes. They are both ways to satiate hunger, and some people will prefer the taste of mashed potatoes over baked pot…

I just found this paper which may be helpful...feeling too tired to read it tonight, but could be helpful in this discussion thread... "Cicero as a Source for Epicurus" by Kyle Tebo https://repository.upenn.edu/uhf_2017/1

Regarding the telos, etc. So certain philosophers wanted to have things so neat and tidy...did Epicurus want things neat and tidy too? (or was this just a tactic of the opposing schools to say Epicurus' ideas were "not right"). Or because he was basing his thinking on the material world did he then see a messy quality to the world? My questions here could be due to a "post-philosophical" way of thinking...going beyond "cooking with a set recipe" to "using the ingredients on hand" so basically th…

Further thoughts on "post-philosophy"... If we can't or don't want to agree on exact definitions of words (because of several reasons) then how do we do philosophy? 1) We can't agree because certain words themselves are too abstract, and to give an exact definition will mean that we are no longer "doing philosophy" and instead we are now in the realm of psychology/self-help...which personally I am okay with that. But there will not be one "right way"...and I am okay with that too. 2) If we want …