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This thread is to kick off discussion of how to approach discussing Epicurus with someone who is secular humanist / atheist. This would seem to be a category that almost doesn't have to be discussed, because secular humanists/atheists are often thought of as already Epicurean. In fact, however, it has been my experience that this is far from the truth. Secular humanists often adopt Judea-Christian ethics almost totally, simply dispensing with the idea of a supernatural god. That's a good start, …

(Quote from Patrick) Yes your main point there and the rest of your post is directly stated in the first paragraph of DIogenes of Oinoanda fragment 20 (Quote)