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  • Great posts - my comments are not of the same quality but here goes: (Quote from Kalosyni) Given that "pleasure" includes everything in life that we find worth pursuing, I see the calculus that Epicurus was suggesting as embracing every single moral choice. (Quote from Nate) Yes, it takes friends to accomplish a lot of things, and to sustain them. The individual acting alone isn't going to go nearly as far as he/she can with friends on their side. (Quote from Nate) That's one of the core critici…
  • (Quote from Kalosyni) definitely not the state of being dead, because that brings no pain. Don't want to stray too far into politics here, but I think we can safely make the general observation that there are lot of very unpleasant things potentially on the horizon well short of the end of civilization. That leads to the next comment: (Quote from Kalosyni) I suppose if you were absolutely sure that you were going to die then a little more partying makes sense. But in most cases, even if you were…
  • I see this on that page: If indulging in the strawberry in fact distracts us from finding our way out of the cliffhanging, then indeed it's a bad thing to do even more so from an Epicurean perspective than from any other. Seems to me the key here - and this is why Don and most of us don't care for hypotheticals is that your choice of contextual facts says as much about you as it does anything else. To presume that there's no way out of problems becomes an attitude as much as the opposite "can-do…
  • Also to the tiger example, and Epicurean might say: "What the heck are you doing hanging out around cliffs where tigers are everywhere?" See Lucretius Book Five: If you think The feats of Hercules compare with his, You'll wander in error, almost out of your mind. How could that gap-mouth, the Nemean lion, Harm us today? What could the bristly boar From Arcady do, or the Cretan bull, or the freak Of Lerna, ruffed with poisonous snakes, accomplish? Of what avail Geryon's triple menace, Bronze-plum…
  • Joshua what is Thoreau referring to a "trifling in comparison with those which my neighbors have undertaken"? What neighbors and what labors? This is relevant to something I was considering yesterday. I was re-reading Nietzsche's "Antichrist," and finding myself in agreement with most of it, but with the strong exception of the following "Chapter" 30. The wording here is typically roundabout but to the extent Nietzsche is labeling Epicurus or Epicureanism as "afraid" of pain I think that is abso…