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  • Comments by Kalosyni on the physiological need for tranquility, especially for some (I would count myself there) and Don’s comments on ataraxia generally, reminded me of this that I came across: “For ataraxia, ultimately and simply, is a physical undisturbedness.” [That is, not simply a mental state.] https://www.academia.edu/34402…mail_work_card=view-paper (p. 458) I think that some sharp distinction between the mental and the physical is likely wrong: fear, for example, is manifest in the body…
  • Don I tend to think of the mind/consciousness as being emergent phenomena/processes/expressions of the brain, which is part of the body. People do respond to stimuli differently, both physiologically and psychologically. I tend to think that all feelings (pathe) originate from physical stimulus at some time (to be redundant: “originally”) – but can subsequently be re-membered, re-examined, re-imagined by mental processes (conscious or subconscious). And then such brain/mind activities can neuro…
  • (Quote from Don) Yes, I think that makes better sense,
  • God, I’m going to hate myself for saying this! 😉 Are we worrying this too much? It seems to me that (whatever the ancient Greeks might have thought) the mind/body distinction is at best relative. That does not make it unimportant, Yes, I can (hopefully) overcome – at least somewhat, if not perfectly – the tarache in my mind that stems from the pone in my aching tooth. (Most Buddhists would, I think, say something similar.) But – and this was my whole original thrust – from an Epicurean view, the…
  • Don Thanks for all that, Don. “Thinking out loud” on here is pretty much all I’ve got, with my weird, grab-bag history. 😊 For me, though, this is the most helpful: “So, aponia is not so much ‘pain’ in the body (and I've been guilty of perpetuating that mistake!) as it is a lack of exertion, toil, distress, suffering. In light of that, I may begin to interpret aponia as a positive relaxation in the body, a body that's not stiff and tight and troubled and exhausted; the same way I'd interpret ata…