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  • Wow that is dark and depressing, because just to make one observation, this last stanza is certainly incorrect. This would be as if to say that because void exists, there is no matter, or because pain exists, there is no pleasure: Ah, love, let us be true To one another! for the world, which seems To lie before us like a land of dreams, So various, so beautiful, so new, Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light, Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain; And we are here as on a darkling pl…
  • (Quote from JJElbert)Yes - agreed! Does that not mean that it is not the information, but some pre-existing disposition, that leads to the different response? What is that pre-existing disposition? (Quote from JJElbert)Here, not "humanity," and not "new and wholly unnerving" to EVERYONE, but new and wholly unnerving to those in the circle we are currently considering: Victorian England? (Quote from JJElbert)Is it "missing" something, or does it have something added to it that makes recognition …
  • Returning to the issue of the post: (Quote from JJElbert)I wanted to look again at the topic and yes I think this is a big issue: can we apply a "balm" (in the sense of a bandage) without attacking the underlying cause of the problem, which is not the new knowledge, but the pre-existing attitude?
  • No I had never heard of that "Dover Bitch" poem but it is really appropriate for this thread! i am not sure I appreciate the attitude of this second poem either, but to the extent that it is a "dismissal" of Matthew Arnold's attitude I completely agree with it! Edit: On the other hand we aren't going to make a lot of progress if we "dismiss" it as much as if we "diagnose" it
  • I hope I do not seem like I am not advancing the ball. I am thinking in terms of how even to begin the approach. Is "medicine" a possible approach, or is "surgery" necessary first or primarily?