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  • The following comes from a recent discussion in which the work of Alain de Botton. It started in the context of whether there were ever Epicurean communities in the ancient world outside the garden in Athens, but the main reason I am posting this is that I want to preserve Elayne's commentary (below, EC) with which I totally agree and think to be very important: SG: I remember, Alain de Botton stated the same thing about Epicurean communities. He even added some of what we know as old monasteri…
  • A grass root movement of individuals yes, bit as far as i have seen no evidence of organized communities. The Villa in Herculaneum *might* possibly qualify but even that may be a stretch. I think the issue is whether there were *organized* communities outside in the garden in Athens, and I have never seen any reliable evidence of any at all. Had there been organization it might have been possible for Epicurean philosophy to survive longer than it did.
  • (Quote from JJElbert)I will google but do you have a good link for that? Thanks!
  • Yes I completely agree that what is currently labeled today as "consumerism" fits under the category of unnatural desires that can't be satisfied. My main issue is not that this is invalid, but that it's pretty far removed from the heart of Epicurean philosophy and shouldn't be focused on as the exclusive target. Other issues such as the nature of the universe, the nature of true divinity, pleasure as the goal, the nothingnesss of death, etc are all much more significant, and I rarely if ever s…