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  • The following notes were from a discussion in 2017 among several of our core members. The discussion was prompted when we were talking about trying to come to a summary position on the nature of anticipations, which proved to be something we had to defer. The discussion was also in part influenced by the Voula Tsouna article "Epicurean Preconceptions." To illustrate the anti-DeWitt position, I am going to post separately in the files section the chapter from Bailey's "Greek Atomists and Epicuru…
  • And for those who really want to dive into the details, here is an extended discussion (note: by Bailey!) of "present impressions of the mind." The cites I have mentioned here from Bailey give a good overview of the majority/non-Dewitt position on this topic. https://archive.org/stream/Epi…d-1926#page/n257/mode/2up
  • Comments by another poster: See Schneider's great MA thesis on perception for a field survey that includes Bailey, DeWitt, and other commentators, https://www.ruor.uottawa.ca/bit.../10393/28356/1/MR61263.PDF Look at this criticism: "As later scholars note, Bailey's rich interpretation of the role played by the apprehension (epiboles) of the senses and the mind goes beyond well the evidence."
  • A post by Elli: <<But first of all, Herodotus, before we begin the investigation of our opinions, we must firmly grasp the concepts that are attached to our words (Epicurus greek sentence is "τα υποτεταγμένα τοις φθόγγοις"), so that we can refer to them as we proceed. Unless we have a firm grasp of the meaning of each word, we leave everything uncertain, and we go on to infinity using empty words that are devoid of meaning. Thus it is essential that we rely on the first mental image associated …
  • Glancing back at the state of the summary of the canon, my current thought is that it is no so important to take a detailed position on how anticipations operate, and the main thing is noting (as I think we do) that preconceptions are an innate faculty for the forming of conceptions. The question of *how* conceptions are formed can be left to another day so long as the general statement doesn't imply that reason is used to form them. However I think the current version needs a brief passage add…
  • Elli's comment on that last summary: Cassius wrote : Glancing back at the state of the summary of the canon, my current thought is that it is no so important to take a detailed position on how anticipations operate, and the main thing is noting (as I think we do) that preconceptions are an innate faculty for the forming of conceptions. The question of *how* conceptions are formed can be left to another day so long as the general statement doesn't imply that reason is used to form them. <<the pr…
  • Cassius to Elli - Elli I am sorry I will be driving most of the rest of the day, so my responses will be delayed but this is what I would like to talk about: Given what you wrote, what is your interpretation of this passage from Diogenes Laertius? What is the difference between the position taken by Epicurus himself and that of "the Epicureans"? "Thus in The Canon Epicurus says that the tests of truth are the sensations and anticipations and the feelings; the Epicureans add to these the intuiti…
  • From Elli - Guys It took me a whole year and something to LEARN my two little boys to not shit on their napkins-pampers. It took me a whole year and something to learn them WORDS AND WHAT THE WORDS DENOTE ! Epicurus DOES NOT addressed to little children. Epicurus adressed to mature guys and speaks about pre-concepts/images that are in the brain and derived from concepts based on words : First of all, guys, we must grasp the CONCEPTS attached to words, in order that we may be able to refer to th…
  • From Elli: IMO this is a description of the Canon : Epicurus had limited the Dialectic method on the rules that lead to the formation of correct judgments namely to distinguish the imaginary from the real. This clarification he named it Criterion of truth and this part of his philosophy called it Canonicon or Stichioticon. The Canon includes: 1. Two principles: a) Nothing can be created from nothing. b) the principle of the analogy (as long as all the known elements of two bodies are similar th…
  • From Elli: Cassius wrote : <<It is important to see that the faculties of the Canon are *pre-cognitive.*>> What means pre-cognitive ? Based on lexicon I found the etymology and the meaning of this word. precognitive adj (seeing the future) ?! ενορατικός, προγνωστικός, μαντικός. precognitive adj (happening without cognition = parapsychology) ?! εξωαισθητήριος (=out of sensory-out of senses)?! oracular adj (prophetic) προφητικός, μαντικός (seing the future) ?! visionary n (person who sees visions…
  • Cassius to Elli - Yes Elli I am thinking that the Canon provides a reference that functions "automatically" without conscious reasoning (maybe the better word is "logic") and before the application of words. In other terms I see anticipation and all elements of the Canon as inputs in the formation of words, but not words themselves. Concepts and words I see as the work product of the reasoning mind after the injection of opinion. "Zebra" is our opinion of a good word to use for a particular var…