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  • Very impressive work in assembling the text and the narration! Text: Visit societyofepicurus.com Subscribe to us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SocietyEpicurus Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/hiram Join our forum at EpicureanFriends.com Script: In its battle against the errors of Platonic philosophy, Epicurean philosophy invites us to call things by their proper name and to avoid empty words. The first Epicureans often changed the names or definitions of things with empirical ju…
  • Hiram have you found anything further about who the writer and editor of this book are, in terms of their background and qualifications? I would love to know what access they have to the fragments of Book 18. I see this page describing the book https://www.librairiecosmopoli…-de-traducteurs-gallimard which google translate gives (poorly) as: "Epicetus" for Epictetus, "hog" for others, Epicurus sparked fierce debate. Calling for individual liberation from fears and delusions, an overt attack of …
  • Thanks Hiram -- I don't read French but I think I will go ahead and get a copy. The description of contents on this page looks pretty comprehensive, and Google translate generally does a reasonable job with French. https://www.librairiecosmopoli…-de-traducteurs-gallimard
  • This is the kind of thing that I'd like to work on correlating: (1) The book by DeLattre apparently indicates that the material being discussed is from Book 18 of On Nature. it was published in 2010.(2) The Wurzburg Center for Epicurean Studies listing of the available texts does not even include anything from Book 18 at all: Wurzburg Center for Epicurean Studies There must be a way to find either at Wurzburg or some other site a comprehensive listing of what parts of what books are available.
  • This site is probably relevant too: https://translate.google.com/t…A%2F%2Fwww.cispe.org%2Fen
  • Good find Elayne. I've never understood why anyone would want to identify themselves as a "Hedonist" rather than an "Epicurean" other than as a way of distancing themselves from the full implications of Epicurean theory. pasted-from-clipboard.png pasted-from-clipboard.pngWho are these "others"? Why "must" their interests be considered equal to the interests of myself, family, and actual or potential friends? "Must" is always a loaded word. Says who? pasted-from-clipboard.pngMore of the same, as…
  • Hiram thanks for the part about being willing to check the French translations --- Also - what do you think Onfray would answer as to his supporting reasoning for questions like "Who are these "others"? Why "must" their interests be considered equal to the interests of myself, family, and actual or potential friends?" "Must" is always a loaded word. Says who? In regard to a quote like this: I doubt he would say that his opinion is rooted in either Epicurus or hedonism for that matter, unless he…
  • Yes I think that is the way forward toward reconciling the tension -- by limiting the circle of "others" to those who are truly in some sense our friends. But it's very hard to draw those lines, especially if a philosophy is grounded in opposition to drawing any lines, and considering everything to be "universal" in application. That's where I think the last then PD's make clear that Epicurus did not go in that direction.
  • (Quote from Hiram)I agree with much of that post Hiram, but I think this part goes further than I would go. In all human history to date there has been a great deal of ebb and flow and change about where people live, with whom, etc., so I would expect that to continue to be the case. And what stirs a lot of that movement is that people who want to live together, in their way of living, aren't always going to be stopped by the simple desire of other people to live differently. Populations freque…