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I'm going to point back to my post on the title of Metrodorus 's as well as the quote from that book: RE: Do Pigs Value Katastematic Pleasure? ( Summer 2022 K / K Discussion) I think there is a definite distinction between pleasures. I don't think it's necessarily a hierarchy, but it seems there are pleasures of a state and pleasures from activities or objects outside ourselves.

We have at least two threads on this topic now, so I'll post this here: https://www.academia.edu/resource/work/39260233 This paper by Eckerman emphasizes the importance of ataraxia in dealing with life's circumstances. What I like is his pulling in specific lines of Lucretius and Epicurus. Here's a related paper: https://www.academia.edu/resource/work/42736452 And one more: https://www.academia.edu/resource/work/41237439 I posted another Eckerman paper on the gods previously: "Lucretius on the D…